Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[peteblue]

That Kopite chief of police has a cheek to call out those partying in the streets when he was fine and dandy having thousands of Kopites congregate at the pier head...

But tbf, they were mostly Chelsea fans....

 

[Jebus_lives]

My experience has shown me precisely what scientists are motivated by, and that is proving that they are correct or generating interest to gain new funding for new scientific work. However they have to be dragged into the real world when it comes to finance, generating income and paying their way.

Now perhaps you could back up your statement with how your own experience as a planner has given you an insight into the motives of the scientists, who you seem to believe have the economy as one of their major drivers....

You would do well to quantify what you mean by 'science' to be honest. Are you talking about scientific research or public health practice (which would actually be the discipline in question as you've described pharmacy research and development rather than public health)*

Perhaps you might want to explore 'public health cost benefit analysis' or 'public health principles/values' - you could cross reference those against the terms 'equity, social justice, participation, efficiency, effectiveness, acceptability, affordability and accessibility'.

'Affordability, efficiency' might be useful to you.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIBxAF&usg=AOvVaw2eyc7hUl69sSnYTHP6idGu

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Frontiers | Making Hard Choices in Local Public Health Spending With a Cost-Benefit Analysis Approach

BackgroundIn 2013, public health moved into Local Authorities, but initial optimism has been overtaken by serious ongoing financial constraints and an uncert...

www.frontiersin.org

Cost–benefit analysis: methodological challenges of evaluating large-scale public health interventions and a worked example of the costs and benefits of part-night lighting - What is the effect of reduced street lighting on crime and road traffic inj

WHO | Cost-effectiveness analysis for health interventions

www.who.int

*I know you're not a public health expert, but you do understand numbers apparently....so
you might also be Interested in the IMF report I shared recently which discusses some of the uncertainty regarding the cost benefit basis for lockdown vs lesser restrictions. As there are oblique benefits, which are rarely acknowledged, to lockdown aside from limiting covid-19.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I agree. It should just have been London, but that Ferguson report of 500,000 deaths scared the crap out of Sage and the Government, hence we were all bounced into it.....

For a man that understands numbers you seem to have picked the most extreme number in that modelling and offered it without context.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

dubious forecast of 500,000 deaths

All forecasts are dubious you numpty, and this forecast of herd immunity and 500,00 dead was negated somewhat by the actions of the Government because they rightly gulped at the numbers dead.

Of course they hoped to have deaths of under 20,000, however, what 40,000 plus dead now, is down to being late in the lockdown.

And we were going for herd immunity because the local authority i work for was acquisitioning commissioned out leisure centers for temporary morgues in rural wales... There was relief but pandemonium they dropped herd immunity, that pandemonium and changing policy has still caused excess deaths.

 

[peteblue]

You would do well to quantify what you mean by 'science' to be honest. Are you talking about scientific research or public health practice (which would actually be the discipline in question as you've described pharmacy research and development rather than public health)*

Perhaps you might want to explore 'public health cost benefit analysis' or 'public health principles/values' - you could cross reference those against the terms 'equity, social justice, participation, efficiency, effectiveness, acceptability, affordability and accessibility'.

'Affordability, efficiency' might be useful to you.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIBxAF&usg=AOvVaw2eyc7hUl69sSnYTHP6idGu

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Frontiers | Making Hard Choices in Local Public Health Spending With a Cost-Benefit Analysis Approach

BackgroundIn 2013, public health moved into Local Authorities, but initial optimism has been overtaken by serious ongoing financial constraints and an uncert...

www.frontiersin.org

Cost–benefit analysis: methodological challenges of evaluating large-scale public health interventions and a worked example of the costs and benefits of part-night lighting - What is the effect of reduced street lighting on crime and road traffic inj

WHO | Cost-effectiveness analysis for health interventions

www.who.int

*I know you're not a public health expert, you're but you do understand numbers.

You might also be Interested in the IMF report I shared recently which discusses some of the uncertainty regarding the cost benefit basis for lockdown vs lesser restrictions. As there are oblique benefits, which are rarely acknowledged, to lockdown aside from limiting covid-19.

Your examples are about expenditure and the best use of available public money. The issue I raised was about the generation of the money that goes towards public expenditure, and that is an entirely different ball game......

 

[Jebus_lives]

It seems it’s a question of balance for health and the economy. Also, the death rate, while increasing, it nowhere near the rate earlier in the year, so having been bounced by a dubious forecast of 500,000 deaths into the last lockdown, I’m not surprised that the government is being a bit more nuanced this time. However, there is nothing to stop the people of Liverpool or Manchester wearing a mask, keeping a social distance and sanitising their hands to help keep the infection rate down, because that’s what is happening around the rest of the country (cities excluded)......

*WCS without any intervention.

Forget about Government interventions, your posts should come with a public health warning.

 

[peteblue]

All forecasts are dubious you numpty, and this forecast of herd immunity and 500,00 dead was negated somewhat by the actions of the Government because they rightly gulped at the numbers dead.

Of course they hoped to have deaths of under 20,000, however, what 40,000 plus dead now, is down to being late in the lockdown.

And we were going for herd immunity because the local authority i work for was acquisitioning commissioned out leisure centers for temporary morgues in rural wales... There was relief but pandemonium they dropped herd immunity, that pandemonium and changing policy has still caused excess deaths.

No need, either debate in a civil manner or don’t...

 

[peteblue]

*WCS without any intervention.

Forget about Government interventions, your posts should come with a public health warning.

That’s right, and the 500,000 prompted the intervention....

 

[Jebus_lives]

Your examples are about expenditure and the best use of available public money. The issue I raised was about the generation of the money that goes towards public expenditure, and that is an entirely different ball game......

You read all.of those reports and examples in that time...wow impressive.


Here's what you wrote:
'The problem of course being that the ‘scientists’ are not concerned with the financial implications, so they can go as overboard as they wish in their Lockdown demands.'

Sorry but no, your point was about how public money is applied to public health policy. And it was incorrect.

 

[Jebus_lives]

That’s right, and the 500,000 prompted the intervention....

What's your point? We should've done nothing to test the model effectively?

 

[peteblue]

You read all.of those reports and examples in that time...wow impressive.


Here's what you wrote:
'The problem of course being that the ‘scientists’ are not concerned with the financial implications, so they can go as overboard as they wish in their Lockdown demands.'

Sorry but no, your point was about how public money is applied to public health policy. And it was incorrect.

No, one link took me to a page that goes nowhere... and I think your copying of my post merely proves that I was correct...

 

[Jebus_lives]

The SAGE committee membership is published online Pete. Spoiler: not a lot of civil servants in there.

Additional spoiler - PHE has been cut, even before the pandemic they were subject to consultation. Public Health departments have been severely cut due to austerity.

Despite that, the local/regional/national scientific advice all correlates.

 

[Jebus_lives]

No, one link took me to a page that goes nowhere... and I think your copying of my post merely proves that I was correct...

Well there you go. I'll be sure to up your engagement factor in future by just purely copying pay walled Telegraph headlines.

And of course you would. But you're not.

 

[Jebus_lives]

 

[tsubaki]

The Government are looking to contain it, wherever it is....

yes pete, that’s why they are rushing about like headless chickens and why you are slating everyone apart from them