Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

But Burnham is not ‘challenging’ the decision, he wants a National lockdown so that he can wash his hands of it all and have no responsibility....

lol

this would be a better argument if you weren’t desperately casting about criticisms to help protect the people who absolutely have responsibility for this ongoing disaster

 

[Kenshin]

But Burnham is not ‘challenging’ the decision, he wants a National lockdown so that he can wash his hands of it all and have no responsibility....

And if the scientists In charge have said to do that then that is what we should be doing.

It's all well and good us having our own opinion on everything but if the scientists who are charged with providing the science and evidence to how to manage this are being ignored then all of this is failing.

Doesn't matter what changes or regulations you bring in. Or how many buzzwords for that matter. If you ignore scientist advice then it's a shambles.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Does anyone of these people have a clue how this is to be paid for. How much does a ‘national’ lockdown cost per week. A multi product business would not close down the whole of its operations because one of its products has a defect, they fix the particular product while using money from its other operations. The actions of Burnham are not designed to help overcome this virus, his agenda is purely political. I have far more respect for the Mayors within the Liverpool City Region for at least recognising what needed to be done......

The banking sector knows very well how everything is paid for, its us, We did it for the banks, both Labour and Conservatives from 2008, we can do it for small and medium businesses so families within them having to lock down can continue to pay their way. Then we then can collectively pay it off, this time not through Austerity but through fairer taxation... Just a case of putting personal gain aside and thinking about community...

 

[Jebus_lives]

Has any government support been offered to any of the business's in Liverpool or anywhere else that's having or had a localized lockdown?

No idea how it works but maybe a national lockdown these business's may get some support from the government, hence they want a national and not a local one.

Pointless asking @peteblue, like he has any idea at all what's going on. If you want Pete's opinion on anything, cut out the middle man and just read the Telegraph or Guido and you'll get your answer.

The localised measures have been signalled as not going far enough by much of the scientific community, including local regional scientific advice and SAGE. The recommendation at this point is a national circuit breaker to flatten the rising rate of infection. That is why there is the difference of opinion between GM and Government.

There is local funding promised, alongside some of the other measures the PM mentioned (towns fund etc) but as has been a feature of the response, it's not materialised yet and how to access it hasn't been outlined.

 

[Jebus_lives]

But Burnham is not ‘challenging’ the decision, he wants a National lockdown so that he can wash his hands of it all and have no responsibility....

I thought you valued blaming others and a lack of accountability in your leadership?

 

[Brennan]

And if the scientists In charge have said to do that then that is what we should be doing.

It's all well and good us having our own opinion on everything but if the scientists who are charged with providing the science and evidence to how to manage this are being ignored then all of this is failing.

Doesn't matter what changes or regulations you bring in. Or how many buzzwords for that matter. If you ignore scientist advice then it's a shambles.

I’m confused as to why you think it’s a shambles to ignore scientists when you’ve spent weeks previously saying scientists are wrong ?

 

[davek]

Pointless asking @peteblue, like he has any idea at all what's going on. If you want Pete's opinion on anything, cut out the middle man and just read the Telegraph or Guido and you'll get your answer.

The localised measures have been signalled as not going far enough by much of the scientific community, including local regional scientific advice and SAGE. The recommendation at this point is a national circuit breaker to flatten the rising rate of infection. That is why there is the difference of opinion between GM and Government.

There is local funding promised, alongside some of the other measures the PM mentioned (towns fund etc) but as has been a feature of the response, it's not materialised yet and how to access it hasn't been outlined.

There's a very simple rule of thumb to be applied in this. It's an equation the government have in mind at all times in all their decrees: "How far can we delay a full national lockdown in order to assuage businesses - and our own backbenchers who are their pitbulls in parliament - before we get blamed (again) for being slow off the mark to avoid mega-death?"

Be sure they will take it to the wire and we'll see a bigger death toll than back in the spring.

 

[xena]

Seems this virus is fussy

I see Andy Burnham is playing politics with this. He is not in favour of shutting down Manchester, but is in favour of a National lockdown, thereby completely passing the buck to central government. Absolute toad.....

Didn't everywhere get shut down in March when it was rife in London whilst up north we had hardly any infection whats the difference now .

 

[Kenshin]

I’m confused as to why you think it’s a shambles to ignore scientists when you’ve spent weeks previously saying scientists are wrong ?

The only time I've said scientists are wrong is when I have had evidence to back that up, from other scientists.

Calling theories and guesses what they are is not calling anything wrong.

When managing a pandemic , doing as the science tells you to is important. Doesn't matter what I think, if they say do something then do it. I might be disagreeing on a football forum about it like but thankfully it doesn't matter what I think lol

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

And if the scientists In charge have said to do that then that is what we should be doing.

It's all well and good us having our own opinion on everything but if the scientists who are charged with providing the science and evidence to how to manage this are being ignored then all of this is failing.

Doesn't matter what changes or regulations you bring in. Or how many buzzwords for that matter. If you ignore scientist advice then it's a shambles.

Scientist=Expert... Its a bad mix with this kind of Tory libertarian.

Trouble is its not Brexit with so many unknowns slow declines and what if sloganism.

The policy made in response to Coronavirus has black and white consequences very quickly, no long grass to scurry away in.

Johnson and his Government is right in the mire having to deal with consequence at the coal face of a Pandemic, they're aint no hiding!

 

[peteblue]

And if the scientists In charge have said to do that then that is what we should be doing.

It's all well and good us having our own opinion on everything but if the scientists who are charged with providing the science and evidence to how to manage this are being ignored then all of this is failing.

Doesn't matter what changes or regulations you bring in. Or how many buzzwords for that matter. If you ignore scientist advice then it's a shambles.

The problem of course being that the ‘scientists’ are not concerned with the financial implications, so they can go as overboard as they wish in their Lockdown demands. Now if it was suggested that the first cutback to help pay for all this was to abolish PHE and a variety of civil service jobs, you would quickly see the scientific advice change.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

There's a very some rule of thumb to be applied in this. It's an equation the government have in mind at all times in all their decrees: "How far can we delay a full national lockdown in order to assuage businesses - and our own backbenchers who are their pitbulls in parliament - before we get blamed (again) for being slow off the mark to avoid mega-death?"

Be sure they will take it to the wire and we'll see a bigger death toll than back in the spring.

If your line all along as a Government, and supporters of that Government, has been 'we have been steadfastly following the science all other opinion is purely playing politics'; you cannot then decry others for playing politics who are asking for the scientific advice to be followed as the Government has now, seemingly, departed from it.

Are the Government still following the science?
If they are, which scientific advice, as apparently it's not SAGE, are they following?
If there has been a change in national strategy, presumably done on cost benefit basis, why hasn't that, as an essential public health message, been communicated to the public?

 

[Jebus_lives]

The problem of course being that the ‘scientists’ are not concerned with the financial implications, so they can go as overboard as they wish in their Lockdown demands. Now if it was suggested that the first cutback to help pay for all this was to abolish PHE and a variety of civil service jobs, you would quickly see the scientific advice change.....

Nope. Utter nonsense.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

He committed suicide, not the best example.

Think there's some doubt about that isn't there?

 

[Hickson9]

This should have just happened with the last round of announcements, which was only on Monday.

Instead, we are being told the day before. Sigh.