Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[AdamEFC]

 

[toffee82]

What do people make of this?

 

[peteblue]

Kids on bikes, mask or no mask, half of them haven’t even got lights on their bikes ffs.....

 

[Nymzee]

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What do people make of this?

“Unfair on young people”
“It’s all a lie”
“Lock away the old people”

Stuff like that I’d imagine.

Wonder why they use median age; bit odd.

 

[Jebus_lives]

This is what I have always meant about subjective obedience. People choose what the government say is fine and isn't fine . Noone seems to ever question logic , does it actually make sense? It's always been a taboo, must be true because we have been told it.

Yet councils are pushing back on it now seemingly for the same reason, no scientific evidence to action.

It's almost like all of this , all these measures are based on the opposite of scientific approach. After all, the chief science officer for the government broke lockdown rules he himself advised to set.

Most of this lacks scientific evidence. Just repeating the same things, households dangerous, lockdowns necessary , anyone can die from it

It goes against the data , that's the reality.

As they didn't test everyone back in April and haven't tested everyone now , it's unreliable data to guess the numbers.

Never going to convince me otherwise

Oh well

 

[ToffeeTim]

Yes some don't appreciate or grasp it, but equally the counter-argument would be that those entrenched in the opposite view haven't grasped the virus's impact.

I have a colleague in work whose father was put on a ventilator this afternoon and in reality it's unlikely he'll ever come off it until he dies. He's fifty-eight.

If you look at the ONS data, we're already at sixty-thousand excess deaths. How many more are acceptable? In reality, it's a balancing act we need to find soon.

There's lots of people on here who are over zealous with their desires to close and are ignoring the impact it will have. Yet, the pendulum can swing both ways.

Do most people want bars and restaurants going down the drain? No. Do people want to close gyms? No. But equally, do we want another 60,000 dead?

I don't like the idea of closing the city down, but in reality I like the latter point even less.

In my opinion we've been in a situation for a while now where another lockdown will do far more harm than good.

We have to find a way to protect the vulnerable and let the young get back to normal. I know that is far from easy, but its the least worst option.

Where is the end to all of this? We cant just keep closing things down, and expect the country to be in a good place next year. We are ruining a generations future opportunities.

 

[ToffeeTim]

“Unfair on young people”
“It’s all a lie”
“Lock away the old people”

Stuff like that I’d imagine.

Wonder why they use median age; bit odd.

I'd imagine, the mean is slightly lower than 82 if that's the median.

 

[n01efc]

I want the government to provide the data the councillors have been asking for to explain the reasoning behind closing certain things but keeping other things open.

I want clear and effective communication from the people applying the rules they want people to adhere to. Without that, they won’t receive compliance.

Shutting hospitality is expected to drop the R number by 0.2. I don’t know about how other sectors compare.

 

[Jebus_lives]

In my opinion we've been in a situation for a while now where another lockdown will do far more harm than good.

We have to find a way to protect the vulnerable and let the young get back to normal. I know that is far from easy, but its the least worst option.

Where is the end to all of this? We cant just keep closing things down, and expect the country to be in a good place next year. We are ruining a generations future opportunities.

We shouldn't try to find solutions to avoidable problems. If you do the correct things, and had we had a Government capable of doing the right things at the start and since, we wouldn't have to propose something that is effectively fantasy (which will be extremely damaging).

 

[Nymzee]

I'd imagine, the mean is slightly lower than 82 if that's the median.

Possibly just not often median is used, or from what I see.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Of course Liverpool is in trouble when we have 3 universities and Edge Hill just around the corner.

All those students supping n shagging.

Had campus been closed the hospitality industry would have been fine imo.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

As they didn't test everyone back in April and haven't tested everyone now , it's unreliable data to guess the numbers.

Never going to convince me otherwise

You do realise that they did a 100,000 person national test for antibodies at the end of June right?

At that point the national estimate for the percentage of the population who’d had the virus was 6%

Largest study on home coronavirus antibody testing publishes first findings | Imperial News | Imperial College London

More than 100,000 people across England have tested themselves for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies at home as part of a major research programme.

www.imperial.ac.uk

 

[Jebus_lives]

You do realise that they did a 100,000 person national test for antibodies at the end of June right?

At that point the national estimate for the percentage of the population who’d had the virus was 6%

Largest study on home coronavirus antibody testing publishes first findings | Imperial News | Imperial College London

More than 100,000 people across England have tested themselves for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies at home as part of a major research programme.

www.imperial.ac.uk

'never going to convince me'

 

[ToffeeTim]

We shouldn't try to find solutions to avoidable problems. If you do the correct things, and had we had a Government capable of doing the right things at the start and since, we wouldn't have to propose something that is effectively fantasy (which will be extremely damaging).

So what's your solution?

We cant afford to consign a generation to poor education and long term unemployment.

What i suggest is difficult but absolutely not fantasy. The right thing is not to lockdown constantly.

We cant just live in this constant state of limbo hoping a vaccine will come. We have no idea if and when it will come.

 

[Paris]

I'm not planning to leave the country again until the end of Feb / start of March, so I'm on board for another lockdown if necessary.