Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nymzee]

The mental health benefits are often overlooked for the obvious physical benefits.
If this is true it’s a disastrous policy which is not based in science but based on “well, we have to shut something? What makes more money pubs or gyms? Let’s go with the latter.”

I forgot you can't exercise without a gym needing to be open.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 40 deaths were announced today, down 47 on yesterday and up 7 on last Sunday. 32 deaths were in English hospitals, down 28 on yesterday and up 4 on last week with 31 occurring in the past 10 days. The 7 day rolling average rises to 52.57

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 65 deaths were announced today, down 16 on yesterday and up 32 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average rises to 67.86

For the 60 day cut off, 76 deaths were announced today, down 6 on yesterday and up 39 on last Sunday. The 7 day rolling average rises to an even 74

 

[neil999]

So if you are a pub that doesn’t sell food you start selling pies to get around the closure.

What a weird rule if that’s the case.

Beer soup, with crisp croutons

 

[anxiouswarrior]

seriously could anybody make this garbage up , some things open some thing shut , some let out some stay indoors , this ridiculous farce continues whilst many people with health conditions both physical and mental will suffer for lack of treatment all because of a low death rate virus

 

[davek]

The former MP for Liverpool FC tweets:

 

[barneygumble]

The mental health benefits are often overlooked for the obvious physical benefits.
If this is true it’s a disastrous policy which is not based in science but based on “well, we have to shut something? What makes more money pubs or gyms? Let’s go with the latter.”

I've just spoken to a couple of the lads i know up in Scotland, and they've not even closed Gyms, so why we'd go and do that, I'm not sure?

 

[Kenshin]

seriously could anybody make this garbage up , some things open some thing shut , some let out some stay indoors , this ridiculous farce continues whilst many people with health conditions both physical and mental will suffer for lack of treatment all because of a low death rate virus

I was reading about this yesterday oddly enough.

There is a theory that thousands could have or will die as a result from shut down of treatment for so long and as a result , long waiting times for said treatment now.

I do have some first hand experience by saying make sure you look after your back in Liverpool in the next several months.....just as one example of many.

But what if extreme measures are protecting many who will die and it's condemning just as many who wouldn't?

I am sure many of these shut it all down arguments would be slightly different if they knew the effect it had on other areas of health.

 

[Deckard2049]

I forgot you can't exercise without a gym needing to be open.

I’m sure nobody wants this debate to start again...

 

[OGG]

If the hospitals are full of Covid patients, it’s difficult to treat other things. Hence why it’s critical to get Covid under control.

 

[PhilM]

I'm thoroughly fed up hearing people demanding stuff be closed. They have zero grasp of the effect on people's lives or the pressures of losing your job. Its been 7 months, this cant go on.

Yes some don't appreciate or grasp it, but equally the counter-argument would be that those entrenched in the opposite view haven't grasped the virus's impact.

I have a colleague in work whose father was put on a ventilator this afternoon and in reality it's unlikely he'll ever come off it until he dies. He's fifty-eight.

If you look at the ONS data, we're already at sixty-thousand excess deaths. How many more are acceptable? In reality, it's a balancing act we need to find soon.

There's lots of people on here who are over zealous with their desires to close and are ignoring the impact it will have. Yet, the pendulum can swing both ways.

Do most people want bars and restaurants going down the drain? No. Do people want to close gyms? No. But equally, do we want another 60,000 dead?

I don't like the idea of closing the city down, but in reality I like the latter point even less.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's the theory behind it that's flawed. You are always going to have people not wearing masks and yet as long as the majority do then the 'theory' works. After all , masks don't protect you , they apparantly protect others from you.

The issue is having hotspots where the virus spreads, mask or no mask. So clearly schools , universities and the rest have caused the increase combined with the majority of the infection rate being under 40.

This mask theory only holds ground if it was proven to stop the virus and it's not. As long as the policy remains in place then it's serving its job, even if not everyone wears them, majority will do.

But then if masks are so important to curbing cases , I've always asked why aren't they compulsory everywhere outside the house where they would be most effective. On spot fines for not wearing a mask and you get everyone wearing them then.

They protect you if the majority are wearing them.

And masks aren't 'so important' as much as washing hands and discussing but they are in specific circumstances extremely useful at reducing spread.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

The truth about this virus has not been told , sure it can be very nasty and the old and vulnerable should be protected with all the might of the nhs and the state , but as this happened no this spineless spiv government cannot even test people adequately whilst at the same time it gives big contracts to its private cowboy contractors worth millions of pounds and these clowns cannot even do the job properly , utter filth in charge of my country

 

[Brennan]

It is weird but you could also say people purposely trying to find ways to bend gov rules weird also.

To be honest I can understand the pressure that small business owners feel to bend the rules when the result of compliance is losing your livelihood and plunging your employees into bankruptcy.

 

[Nymzee]

To be honest I can understand the pressure that small business owners feel to bend the rules when the result of compliance is losing your livelihood and plunging your employees into bankruptcy.

I understand just think it’s still a strange mindset.

 

[Kenshin]

If the hospitals are full of Covid patients, it’s difficult to treat other things. Hence why it’s critical to get Covid under control.

It goes beyond that.

It's not about hospital beds man. Chances are if you are in a bed that isn't a surgical one then you are far beyond simple treatment at that point.

All services are backed up to the point that they will take over a year to recover. In my services alone any given one could have hundreds of patients on waiting lists , especially given that they started before the lockdown.

Quality of life will decrease because getting that surgery or treatment from a hospital just isn't going to be viable without waiting months. Given that the original target date is get patients on their treatment pathway within 18 weeks, much lower for most services, having to wait months is a completely different story now.

If you can picture having a physical issue that makes you struggle with day to day basic things , these are the people having to wait months potentially. I know because I speak to them on a daily basis.

There will be so many people crippled by lack of treatment access over the next year. And what makes it worse is that ok talking about Liverpool, this will be the same for every city around the country.