Research that shows the increased number of cases and the subsequent upward trajectory of hospitalisations.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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davek
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If she's a key worker she wont be affected, surely?
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Cases have risen in Ireland over a thousand yesterday. They are talking about a "circuit breaker" where we go into Lockdown for a week before and a week after the school midterm break.
I'm not a big fan of this idea as its easy to go into Lockdown but hard to come out of it, if numbers don't come down to double maybe low triple figures over 3 weeks then they won't open up again and I don't think 3 weeks is enough to get the reduction they'll need to justify opening up again.
This appears to be a reaction to cases deaths and numbers in hospital are still very low and cases have been rising since early August. Less than 200 in hospital and 34 in ICU.. 3 confirmed dead yesterday and none the day before.. I'm not sure those numbers require another kick in the nuts to the economy.
I'm not a big fan of this idea as its easy to go into Lockdown but hard to come out of it, if numbers don't come down to double maybe low triple figures over 3 weeks then they won't open up again and I don't think 3 weeks is enough to get the reduction they'll need to justify opening up again.
This appears to be a reaction to cases deaths and numbers in hospital are still very low and cases have been rising since early August. Less than 200 in hospital and 34 in ICU.. 3 confirmed dead yesterday and none the day before.. I'm not sure those numbers require another kick in the nuts to the economy.
davek
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It's out of control already. We're losing time arsing around here.
davek
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Then they'l do that and the organisers will be arrested and dealt with.
This isn't a laff...lives are being lost.
FOCUS.
Lives? Do you think those that are breaking the restrictions don't know that? They are making a choice that there lives are intolerable sticking by these rules when a. they are not at risk. and b. that their jobs, business, communities will not exist either if everything shuts down. All you are doing is making people fearful which exacerbates everything. Business owners get twitchy fingers, banks get more anxious, consumers get worried, employees get stressed, landlords get twitchy. Stop terrorising people.
tsubaki
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It is, and the incredibly annoying thing about it is that we know what the answer to this question is.
We have nearly a hundred years of experience dealing with outbreaks of disease across the entire world; its test, track and trace until the disease cannot spread and everyone is protected until a treatment is found. To do this requires lots of people, a consistent approach from governments and having decisions made by people who know what they are doing in these circumstances. We have done this for nearly a century with (relative) success.
For some reason this time though, the UK didn't do that - allowing China to tell us what wasn't happening so that the disease got out of that country, then flirting with a policy that would have absolutely killed around half a million people (which amazingly is now being spoken of again), and then spending billions on doing everything other than the one thing we know would help get this virus under control. We (as did the French and Germans) encouraged people to go on holiday and spark off this second wave everywhere.
If there is ever a proper public inquiry over this, then the government is completely screwed. They'll be lucky to end up in prison, rather than dangling from lamp-posts.
Not sure that's answered my question.
ForeverBlue92
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Ironic how London's / the south's lack of cases is likely down to them being hammered during the first wave in comparison to the North.
Thats going to be our only way out of it even with a vaccine if they are not going to be vaccinating us all.
Thats going to be our only way out of it even with a vaccine if they are not going to be vaccinating us all.
xena
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They won't close schools ,if schools close perents can't go to work.
Simon Buttle
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Cases down here are actually going back up in recent weeks
But nowhere near the levels of elsewhere.
There clearly seems to be a level of antibody resistance in the population here.
One of the most densely populated cities in the country with one of the busiest public transport systems and no difference in terms of socialising that would seem to be the only explanation at this point.
There was something in the news this morning theorising 20% of Londoners could have antibodies.
I think the research shows we are getting better at treating though, thankfully.
From an epidemology point of view i agree, its getting out of control again in Europe. To be honest, i think most of us in health care have been saying consistently that the second wave was predictability obvious in Oct to March 20/21. Certainly were i work weve been planning for this since the start of the summer.
In many ways this is the real start of the pandemic, as a lot of natural advantages were there in the late spring and summer in Europe, to help with the necessary measures of controlling this, being outside, ventilation, empowering good will.
Different story now, flu season, busy winter period in health care, fatigue with covid, not much good will standing out in the rain and cold queuing or shutting pubs and restaurants with unwelcoming conditions of getting out of the house.
A lot of conditions there to see this increase hugely during winter.
Seems to me a bit of chicken being played by politicians, the popular political motivation holistically seems to be seen politically to be able to manage living with Covid. We are in an environment now were i see epidmology best advice competing with politics and political profile projection - all across Europe really. Its a dangerous game.
There is an argument there for a circuit breaker lock down or something very close, but that window will close soon, if people are to have a normalised Christmas period i mean that from mid Nov through to Jan. I think a key consideration is Christmas, economically on the high street, but also in terms in being with other households etc. If governments dont get cases down before mid Nov, i think they risk loosing the economy in that time and also loosing a hold on the spread of this, as i think people will just take their chances over Xmas and say sod it, impossible to police to.
For me anyway, im looking at it like this, two separate pandemic experiences- one we've been through in Spring and Summer and one we are entering into this Autumn winter, what we think we know holistically will be different.
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Update on the ONS/Oxford survey.
Supposed to be a test every week for the first five weeks, today would be one week since the last test we had.
Zero contact from anybody at the survey company since the first test. Telephone number just tells you they are experiencing high call volumes and hangs up after five minutes.
Shambles.
Supposed to be a test every week for the first five weeks, today would be one week since the last test we had.
Zero contact from anybody at the survey company since the first test. Telephone number just tells you they are experiencing high call volumes and hangs up after five minutes.
Shambles.
tsubaki
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Not sure that it is - a lot of people have been working from home since March, the tube, buses and overground trains are much less busy than normal and those pubs / restaurants that are still open are not packed even in the centre of town. Even the traffic levels appear busier than they probably are because of all the bridge closures.
There probably is a greater percentage of the population who've had it but I think other factors are much more at play.
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