Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

What's your view on schools and universities? The data, from I've seen, would suggest that both these are currently large contributors in the Merseyside region.

I've said this before but it absolutely baffles me that unis were allowed to open/have students move across country to live there.

There was no need.

It's mostly been done online anyway, so they should have been told keep shut until Spring. The courses could have been run open uni style with the students wfh, as they are doing a lot anyway (just they've moved to halls halfway across the UK).

Schools are different, they need to be open.

 

[BlueToff]

In his head.

Not that I'm agreeing with Dave, because I'm sure a lockdown of some things is gonna be over here soon too.

But wouldn't it make sense to shut everything down for say, 2-3 weeks in November time, if there's still a surge in admissions.

That would hopefully get us through christmas if it reduces the admissions - kind of like a buffer.

I don't know. It just seems that there are certain industries being targetted when really the problem is across the board.

A 2/3 week lockdown would be crap, but timed right it could get us through winter.

As you know, I hate that it's the only solution anyone in the world has atm but it's where we are with it.

 

[BlueToff]

The issue for me @davek is you keep saying 'KEEP THEM SHUT'.

Keep them shut until when?

The virus is here to stay. It's still going to be here in Spring.

So when does stuff actually open again?

 

[orchard]

So, a full lock down in the Merseyside region?

Well, that wouldn't be, would it.

 

[PhilM]

Well, that wouldn't be, would it.

No it wouldn’t, but it would edging much closer to it as how many employees would be forced to stay at home. But that wasn’t the reason I posted it.

 

[Jebus_lives]

In his head.

After nearly a year into this pandemic, it's depressing to see much of the debate on response to Covid is stuck in the same place it was in March. It's not helpful to public health management. Nationally were stuck in a crippling endless cycles of will we, won't we lockdown, and the media is still fixated on these tedious debates about how serious the virus really is and what the optimal strategy is - lock down or open up - because they're playing to political camps.

The question should be - how can we keep Covid-19 under control and safeguard health services while keeping the economy and society functioning?

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

[COYBL25]

The issue for me @davek is you keep saying 'KEEP THEM SHUT'.

Keep them shut until when?

The virus is here to stay. It's still going to be here in Spring.

So when does stuff actually open again?

It doesn`t.

The State takes control of everything, which is his wet dream.

 

[COYBL25]

After nearly a year into this pandemic, it's depressing to see much of the debate on response to Covid is stuck in the same place it was in March. It's not helpful to public health management. Nationally were stuck in a crippling endless cycles of will we, won't we lockdown, and the media is still fixated on these tedious debates about how serious the virus really is and what the optimal strategy is - lock down or open up - because they're playing to political camps.

The question should be - how can we keep Covid-19 under control and safeguard health services while keeping the economy and society functioning?

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

I couldn`t agree more mate, as someone said a while ago, what`s the point in cutting the arms off to save the legs ?

It would appear that with the Northern Councils starting to band together to take the government on that it`s not going to get better anytime soon either.

 

[BlueToff]

After nearly a year into this pandemic, it's depressing to see much of the debate on response to Covid is stuck in the same place it was in March. It's not helpful to public health management. Nationally were stuck in a crippling endless cycles of will we, won't we lockdown, and the media is still fixated on these tedious debates about how serious the virus really is and what the optimal strategy is - lock down or open up - because they're playing to political camps.

The question should be - how can we keep Covid-19 under control and safeguard health services while keeping the economy and society functioning?

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Unfortunately it seems like a worldwide issue though, bar the odd places.

Sweden never locked down. I'm not saying the UK could have done what they did, as their population is much smaller and they were more equipped to deal with it. They have just got on with life as normal with a few restrictions on crowds etc. Again, it's a work-in progress so we can't fully judge.

New Zealand dealt with the virus brilliantly but that's a huge country with a population of 4,000,000, half of which live near or in Auckland.

Australia – again, helped by size and strict quarantine rules at the outset, though I know people in Melbourne etc were questioning why small spikes lead to full closures in Victoria. In Perth, the virus has had pretty much no impact in any way – again, that's probably down to location and how remote Perth is.

There's a few more exceptions obviously but moving to Europe, as far as I can tell, there is still no plan of how countries can get out of this.

People will point to crowds in Germany and France etc, yet that is leading to spikes which are either not being fully reported in the UK or, because of how other countries' governments work, they are being dealt with differently.

Germany obviously coped with the virus better in the first wave.

Italy, Spain, France etc, there doesn't seem to be any actual plan of how to get out of this long term. Just like there isn't in the UK.

 

[davek]

So, a full lock down in the Merseyside region?

I would support the shutting down of pubs, bars, restaurants, nail bars, gyms, schools, colleges, universities.

Shut them down for a month or so and watch the rate of infecion and death toll tumble....dont do that and watch it get worse. The choice is simple. It's just a matter of how much you value human life that determines whether you want restrictions of that order or not. I fully recognise that other people value other things like their "liberty" to do what they want more.

 

[davek]

The issue for me @davek is you keep saying 'KEEP THEM SHUT'.

Keep them shut until when?

The virus is here to stay. It's still going to be here in Spring.

So when does stuff actually open again?

Until the virus is back under control again. And then apply the same strategy when it climbs again...rinse and repeat...in other words: THE STRATEGY THAT THIS GOVERNMENT PROMISED WOULD HAPPEN RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CRISIS BACK IN MARCH BUT ARE NOW FAILING TO ADOPT.

 

[Igloo1]

I would support the shutting down of pubs, bars, restaurants, nail bars, gyms, schools, colleges, universities.

Shut them down for a month or so and watch the rate of infecion and death toll tumble....dont do that and watch it get worse. The choice is simple. It's just a matter of how much you value human life that determines whether you want restrictions of that order or not. I fully recognise that other people value other things like their "liberty" to do what they want more.

With the reasoning that people that are already defying the restrictions will now stop if they can't go to a pub to do it?

Schools should not close, nor the universities (the students are the economy in parts of Liverpool). There'll be massive job losses and business failures due to restrictions on students.

 

[davek]

With the reasoning that people that are already defying the restrictions will now stop if they can't go to a pub to do it?

They wouldn't have much choice if they were shut.

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

...Liverpool in particular is a massive student town and reliant on them spending cash. That has to be a key driver here.

They should never have been allowed to start their new semesters. Never.

Schools: 800 kids last week alone were sent home from Liverpool schools. They need shutting too.

My daughter is a single parent and a key worker can you explain to me how she going to home school her son.

 

[Igloo1]

They wouldn't have much choice if they were shut.

I guess we'll find out, but I've read about these massive illegal raves they have in parks, in people's houses, in pubs even though they're under curfew or closed.