Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[DownOnTheUpside]

Back in work tomorrow off isolation

Not exactly making my list for Father Christmas but wasn’t too bad except the splitting headache and fever

Certainly not worth shutting down the entire world for

 

[SerenityNigh]

Back in work tomorrow off isolation

Not exactly making my list for Father Christmas but wasn’t too bad except the splitting headache and fever

Certainly not worth shutting down the entire world for

I don’t think the world shut down for you mate, but glad you isolated to put others (who might have died) less at risk

 

[mill]

Dr @Kenshin my knackers have been aching me lately particularly after some frolicking in the shower - how long have they got left Doc??

Sounds like Pneumonia that.

 

[SteveSC]

Why isn't it a good example? It will be distributed to the same demographics as the covid vaccine will.

It's absolutely a good example.

The flu virus is not limited. Nor is it designated for vulnerable like you have said twice now. In fact many elderly cannot take it. Nor can babies.

The flu vaccine is encouraged thst everyone gets it by all governments. You keep repeating that its specialized.

The reason its not mandatory because their is a list of those that cannot use it. So scientists and doctors cannot agree on it being mandatory.

Finally it's not the same as covid. Two different viruses

The vaccine for covid will not be distributed the same way and will most likely cost much more too.

The only thing that makes them remotely the same will be governments wanting their citizens to get it. What ever fix comes along will be pushed onto people too.

 

[the sniderman]

Here we go again. Scientific consensus? If you read what I wrote earlier you'll see that there is no scientific consensus. Some leading health figures have opposed (or are opposed) to the measures recommended and implemented. Sweden also disagrees with the approach that some democracies, like ours, have adopted.

I doubt you'll find scientists in Sweden that are blaming their government for their deaths, but that is what you and these writers at the NEJM would suggest we should find. No, their scientists suggested and advised their government to take a different route.

There is scientific consensus on almost all the clinical evidence, similarly there is scientific consensus on the necessary public health interventions. What differs is the application of mitigation depending upon the countries infrastructure and behaviours. Largely, a political decision.

A country like the US has infrastructure needed and the scientific expertise to effectively manage a pandemic.

i see my buddy has answered your claptrap with some truths buddy. this is why ur sitting in ur pants raging at the world while the top intelligent people earn money and make decisions for you. i am smiling at u bringing up sweden as a positive reference point when prior to this pandemic u have been very upset with fabricated immigrant stories from there. your paranoia can be selective and subject to many blind spots i see. the. wikipedia and conspiracy sites are not recognized education. the phd is not in the post buddy

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Lockdown not ‘a trade-off between health and the economy’ says Imperial academic | Imperial News | Imperial College London

Consumer concerns over the rise in the UK infection rate is likely to hit social spending regardless of whether a lockdown is put in place.

www.imperial.ac.uk

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Covid: pubs in north of England face new restrictions within days

Alarming rise in cases puts pressure on ministers to act as Nicola Sturgeon imposes Scotland crackdown

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Spain’s poisonous politics have worsened the pandemic and the economy

The Infanta Leonor hospital, wedged between a motorway and a suburban railway, serves the dense working-class districts of south-eastern Madrid. Last month 402 of its 480 doctors signed a letter to the regional government warning that the hospital was in a state of “pre-collapse”, with 54% of its 361 beds and all 27 intensive-care spaces occupied by covid-19 patients. With 784 cases per 100,000 people in the past fortnight, Madrid is currently the worst-hit region in Europe.

This is part of a broader national failure. On July 5th Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, proclaimed that “we have defeated the virus and controlled the pandemic.” Yet the country is once again Europe’s coronavirus black spot (see chart).

What went wrong? Health experts point the finger at a failure of government for which both Mr Sánchez’s left-wing minority coalition and the conservative opposition People’s Party (PP), which runs Madrid, carry the blame.

After Europe’s strictest lockdown, Spain rushed its release. The PP joined Catalan and Basque nationalists in refusing to support the renewal of the state of emergency under which the government could restrict activity. Rebuffed, Mr Sánchez handed control of the pandemic to the regions and went on holiday. Several of the regions, especially Madrid, failed to strengthen primary health care and contact-tracing. The government failed to require them to do so, nor did it fix clear rules for handling outbreaks of the virus. The summer did the rest: heeding Mr Sánchez’s triumphalism, Spaniards returned to their normal happy mingling in bars, nightclubs and at family gatherings.

Isabel Díaz Ayuso, Madrid’s regional president, opposes stricter measures that would hurt the economy. This week the government thought it had secured her agreement to extend to the whole of the capital restrictions on non-essential movement and gatherings she has placed on its southern areas. New rules would require all cities of more than 100,000 people to follow suit when new cases rise above 500 per 100,000, and other criteria are met. But three other PP-governed regions opposed them, and as The Economist went to press, the deal seemed to have fallen apart.

The failure to keep the pandemic under control has nipped the economic recovery in the bud. Forecasters now reckon the economy will contract this year by up to 13%, the worst figure in Europe. A hoped-for restart of tourism was curbed by the renewed outbreaks. Raymond Torres of Funcas, a think-tank, notes that the Spanish economy is particularly vulnerable because, all told, tourism and hospitality account for 26% of GDP—five points more than the European average.

Some 60,000 of Spain’s 315,000 bars and restaurants have shut down; another 40,000 are likely to do so by the end of the year, according to the sector’s lobby. The government this week extended until January 31st a furlough scheme which currently helps some 800,000 workers (down from a peak of 3.2m). It has granted €85bn ($100bn) in credit to businesses. More tools may be needed to prevent what Mr Torres fears may be a “cascade of bankruptcies”.

Spain is trusting in EU aid, but most of that will not arrive until 2022. It may be tied to reforms of the labour market, pensions, education and training. These require political consensus, which is in short supply. Mr Sánchez has repeatedly called for national unity, only for ministers to stick the knife into the opposition. His relations with Pablo Casado, the PP’s leader, are marked by mutual mistrust.

The coalition of Mr Sánchez’s Socialists and Podemos, a far-left party, was voted into office in January with the help of Basque and Catalan separatists. Officials complain that the right denies its legitimacy. The opposition accuses Mr Sánchez of endangering the constitution with his liaisons: Pablo Iglesias, Podemos’s leader, snipes at the monarchy and the judiciary.

With some delay, Mr Sánchez is likely to get a budget approved. That should allow the government to survive for the rest of the parliamentary term until 2023. But at a cost. The private sector is rattled by Spain’s political warfare and Podemos’s presence in government, although it has little influence over economic policy. “There’s a bull market in pessimism,” says a normally upbeat former minister with business ties. “I’ve never been so worried about the political situation.” The moderation of the Spanish middle class and the constraints imposed by the EU are his only solace.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

Looks like the north west will be hit by so called tier 3 restrictions on monday , pubs , restaurants etc shut , no mixing in households etc , bullingdon and his so called gold squad have decided

 

[Igloo1]

i see my buddy has answered your claptrap with some truths buddy. this is why ur sitting in ur pants raging at the world while the top intelligent people earn money and make decisions for you. i am smiling at u bringing up sweden as a positive reference point when prior to this pandemic u have been very upset with fabricated immigrant stories from there. your paranoia can be selective and subject to many blind spots i see. the. wikipedia and conspiracy sites are not recognized education. the phd is not in the post buddy

So in this post you don't make any reference at all to what was discussed. It's just a personal attack upon me, making up and fabricating things that are false. What do you get out of that? Is it fun trying to bully someone that may have a different view to you? Who knew asking questions was the great naughty of our times.

 

[the sniderman]

So in this post you don't make any reference at all to what was discussed. It's just a personal attack upon me, making up and fabricating things that are false. What do you get out of that? Is it fun trying to bully someone that may have a different view to you? Who knew asking questions was the great naughty of our times.

how convenient you have gone from dismissing the validity of victims into being a victim itself what an effortless transition. when u post dangerous conspiracy dont even expert on here to not be challenged on ur nonsense buddy.

 

[LostLegend]

Looks like the north west will be hit by so called tier 3 restrictions on monday , pubs , restaurants etc shut , no mixing in households etc , bullingdon and his so called gold squad have decided

Conspiratorial hat on here, this will cripple the north west economy far worse than for the businesses down south.

The Tories get the ‘managed decline’ they’ve always wanted. And of course these types of economic hardships have historically pushed more people towards the right.

If this government were a private company, they’d all be in prison by now.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Czech overtook Spain as the worst performing nation in Europe yesterday. They recorded a whopping 5,300 or so cases and have been hitting around 35 deaths per day for a while now. Several areas of the country are over 250 cases per 100,000, with the worst up around 350. The death toll is still low compared to the levels seen in spring around Europe, but the hospitals are getting worryingly full.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Conspiratorial hat on here, this will cripple the north west economy far worse than for the businesses down south.

The Tories get the ‘managed decline’ they’ve always wanted. And of course these types of economic hardships have historically pushed more people towards the right.

If this government were a private company, they’d all be in prison by now.

Yeah don't be so sure about that mate, where i live in Chichester the pandemic has destroyed the town centre. There has always been an issue with high rents around here (it's that type of town) and covid has just killed like a 1/3 of the shops. It's like a ghost town on one of the streets you walk down, even the local Starbucks has'nt survived.

 

[Paris]

I've just had a stalker / pervert knock on my front door to make sure that I was in. I gave him what for that's for sure x