Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

That first paragraph is genuinely astounding.

You are a proper idiot mate. Leave your house and access reality.

Sorry, are you suggesting that the world stops revolving if those places are closed? You're ridiculous.

I think you're the one who needs to step out of your bubble. The restaurant/bar sector is a relatively new mass industry. We can go back to a period when it didn't proliferate. EASILY.

 

[davek]

You wouldn't be saying that if you had the mixed grill I had tonight dave and garlic mushrooms to die for.

Garlic?

Nein danke.

 

[BlueToff]

Sorry, are you suggesting that the world stops revolving if those places are closed? You're ridiculous.

I think you're the one who needs to step out of your bubble. The restaurant/bar sector is a relatively new mass industry. We can go back to a period when it didn't proliferate. EASILY.

Ey?

 

[davek]

I'm not supporting 'anti-social' (though surely it's not actually anti-social in the traditional sense, it's pro-social) behaviour.

There's been gatherings of 100 or so in the park near me the other day, and the police rightly shut it down and handed out fines. I'm not advocating anything like that.

I wear a mask whenever I go anywhere and me and my housemates are following the rules in terms of having people round and stuff. There's four of us so we've just said nah, not worth the risk, we'll live. Not heroes' work, just being sensible.

I also fully understand that the NHS must be helped through the winter.

I believe in the six months we've had, they could have come up with a better way to do that. But they haven't, so we are where we are.

But come March, with whatever restrictions have come into place between then and now, lockdown should never have to be a solution again. Because it's not sustainable.

You do understand it's the hospitality sector and not the whole economy I'm refering to?

 

[davek]

Ey?

It's never contributed as much to the economy as it does today...certainly not the restaurant/bistro/cafe culture.

 

[BlueToff]

I mean, I don't personally think they'll shut pubs/restaurants down again for any long period of time myself.

But yeh, still a load of jobs out there that need filling by those industries.

Issue is they're all, mostly, short-term.

I know the counter-argument is that most bar/cafe work is, but then it only really solves people getting through 3-4 months (and ironically in a place where they're open to the public just as much if not more, even with wearing masks etc).

Dunno, all a mess, even though I understand your point.

 

[BlueToff]

I'll use an example of a friend.

Last year he got a job at a start up in London. It was an app that worked in a kind of contradictory way to Just Eat or whatever. Basically was an app that offered deals for people who went to the places rather than just got take out - not 100% sure how it worked but his job was business development and they'd got a fair few places in London signed up.

First weekend in March I was down in London, and he was doing really well with the job. Two weeks later the company had gone bust.

So that's a tech company, which went bust because of what happened to the hospitality trade.

(@Nymzee he then got a three-month contract at a Tesco express so he just about scraped by, though also needed universal credit to afford his rent. Couldn't move back up here as a) it was lockdown and b) he's tied into a lease)

Even with the government support for the hospitality trade, it didn't help that tech company.

 

[Nymzee]

Issue is they're all, mostly, short-term.

I know the counter-argument is that most bar/cafe work is, but then it only really solves people getting through 3-4 months (and ironically in a place where they're open to the public just as much if not more, even with wearing masks etc).

Dunno, all a mess, even though I understand your point.

Short-term jobs for short-term industry pauses.

To your example: not everyone will have an answer to all their problems but that is the case before, during and after a pandemic.

 

[BlueToff]

Short-term jobs for short-term industry pauses.

Issue is Nymz, it isn't really short term anymore, because there's no light at the end of the tunnel at the moment.

 

[Nymzee]

Issue is Nymz, it isn't really short term anymore, because there's no light at the end of the tunnel at the moment.

Why, are they shutting pubs and restaurants down forever? I didn't think so.

 

[BlueToff]

I also hate the idea that people should just accept and get on with their careers/aims being ripped up and go and shelf-stack.

There's nothing wrong with shelf-stacking, but as someone who from 15 worked in jobs I hated just to get money, then there's a lot more to life - and there should be more to life - than having to do that.

 

[BlueToff]

Why, are they shutting pubs and restaurants down forever? I didn't think so.

I've just made my point to Dave so I'll refer you to that post rather than repeating myself/making a point I think I managed to make quite well for once over again, and getting it wrong

 

[Nymzee]

I also hate the idea that people should just accept and get on with their careers/aims being ripped up and go and shelf-stack.

There's nothing wrong with shelf-stacking, but as someone who from 15 worked in jobs I hated just to get money, then there's a lot more to life - and there should be more to life - than having to do that.

Problem is you're making it sound like their jobs are getting finished for no good reason. IT. IS. A. PANDEMIC.

 

[Kenshin]

Guess what? The world can do without bars and restaurants. Hard to grasp like, but there it is.

And SHUT THEM DOWN is a solution - a solution that will result in far more people keeping their lives than if the ban on the hospitality sector doesn't take place.

You are right Dave.

Sod the people minimum wage who lose their job overnight by shutting them making it difficult to make rent, feed their family and have to rely on handouts.

Sod the business owners who lose their livelyhood and go from owning their own business to losing their house because they can't afford the mortgage.

Sod the doormen, who again lose their job there and then.

Sod the industries who make the food for resturants. No businesses to supply to, shut the places down and turf hundreds of workers onto the streets , see reasons why above.

Sod all of these families affected by this, the kids, wife's/husband's who suddenly have to find money from somewhere to make ends meet. Or maybe they work in these industries themselves and they are too out of a job.

Sod all of the kids involved in such a drastic action.


All so deep down you can fully protect the retired , the sick , the old of this country.

And by doing so you in turn put thousands into poverty overnight.

 

[Goat]