Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Charro]

Closing them for months on end would decimate the industry even with government support.

I know people in the arts and entertainment, running gigs, that type of stuff and they’re livelihoods have been destroyed. They don’t see a way out of the tunnel and the government don’t want to know.

Hospitality and retail will go the same way if we shut them for another couple of months.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Have you ever worked or lived with the trade, Dave? This is a genuine question. I'm young but the first 15 years of my life that I can remember were spent without my dad as he owned several bars. It's an all-consuming trade which is always on the edge, one way or the other.

The long-lasting impacts aren't just closing the stuff down now. It's getting people - a lot of whom just seem to want to live in fear, or a 100% risk-free life (which we have never had, we just mitigate as much as poss against those risks) - back out without incentives.

It's getting people to open up new bars/restaurants etc this time next year, when the country/world is in another recession.

It's getting people back to stadiums, or gigs, without them all thinking well why is it worth it anyway if I have to risk isolating for two weeks after.

There's so much more to all this and the SHUT THEM DOWN (bars, cafes, restaurants, schools, whatever) shouts don't solve anything. It's just delaying the inevitable at the end of the day. They'll have to open again at some stage, and when they do there will be a spike, and then what? Close it all down again, and so on and so on.

It's ludicrous.

And i'm not defedning this government. I've been abandoned by them, loads have. They're a shambles. But long-term 'shut them down' is not a solution, and after six months, the world - not just the UK - should be tackling this thing with a long-term view.

All correct and far better than I could ever put it

 

[davek]

Should those 2.5m people just in stay inside for the rest of their lives?

There's no way out of this other than that, or going back to normal.Those are the options.

Whenever countries ease lockdown measures, there are spikes. The cases will never be low enough and the rate of spread will never be low enough because we don't know how to cope with this virus other than lockdowns and you can't do that forever. Plus, it seems to be mutating, some research suggests?

The only solution is a vaccine which has to be given as a priority to the vulnerable groups. But the damage every country is doing to its general population will have far outweighed the good they have done if lockdowns are still the only solution come spring.

Progress is being made on that front, so it's not a matter of staying inside forever.

This ^^^ is just flannel for continuing to support people behaving in clearly anti-social ways.

 

[Nymzee]

Both effect each other. You cant keep separating them.

I dont drink, so the bars are pretty irrelevant to me. But I dont want to see people suffer through not being able to pay their bills.

And we do live in a civilised country. Thats why we don't lock people up on a whim like you want to see happen.

There's two jobs going for night-time shelf stackers in the Co-Op round the corner from me.

If I worked in a bar now I'd be hitting up things like that.

 

[davek]

Have you ever worked or lived with the trade, Dave? This is a genuine question. I'm young but the first 15 years of my life that I can remember were spent without my dad as he owned several bars. It's an all-consuming trade which is always on the edge, one way or the other.

The long-lasting impacts aren't just closing the stuff down now. It's getting people - a lot of whom just seem to want to live in fear, or a 100% risk-free life (which we have never had, we just mitigate as much as poss against those risks) - back out without incentives.

It's getting people to open up new bars/restaurants etc this time next year, when the country/world is in another recession.

It's getting people back to stadiums, or gigs, without them all thinking well why is it worth it anyway if I have to risk isolating for two weeks after.

There's so much more to all this and the SHUT THEM DOWN (bars, cafes, restaurants, schools, whatever) shouts don't solve anything. It's just delaying the inevitable at the end of the day. They'll have to open again at some stage, and when they do there will be a spike, and then what? Close it all down again, and so on and so on.

It's ludicrous.

And i'm not defedning this government. I've been abandoned by them, loads have. They're a shambles. But long-term 'shut them down' is not a solution, and after six months, the world - not just the UK - should be tackling this thing with a long-term view.

Guess what? The world can do without bars and restaurants. Hard to grasp like, but there it is.

And SHUT THEM DOWN is a solution - a solution that will result in far more people keeping their lives than if the ban on the hospitality sector doesn't take place.

 

[COYBL25]

Closing them for months on end would decimate the industry even with government support.

I know people in the arts and entertainment, running gigs, that type of stuff and they’re livelihoods have been destroyed. They don’t see a way out of the tunnel and the government don’t want to know.

Hospitality and retail will go the same way if we shut them for another couple of months.

It’s not just them mate, it’s the knock on effect for everyone involved in supporting these industries.

The lorry drivers, the myriad of suppliers, the office staff, the maintenance staff, the sound and lighting people, the list goes on and on.

Add to that the swathes of people getting made redundant elsewhere and it’s a truly frightening situation.

And I’m saying that with two family members who are currently ill upstairs with the virus.

 

[ToffeeTim]

There's two jobs going for night-time shelf stackers in the Co-Op round the corner from me.

If I worked in a bar now I'd be hitting up things like that.

There are jobs out there as always, but the problem is that there are hundreds of applicants for some jobs at the minute.

If they are serious about 6 more months of restrictions or even lockdowns, then we are going to have enormous problems. Jobs will be gone and they won't come back.

 

[carlos21]

Guess what? The world can do without bars and restaurants. Hard to grasp like, but there it is.

And SHUT THEM DOWN is a solution - a solution that will result in far more people keeping their lives than if the ban on the hospitality sector doesn't take place.

You have nail it on the head this time Dave.

 

[Charro]

Guess what? The world can do without bars and restaurants. Hard to grasp like, but there it is.

And SHUT THEM DOWN is a solution - a solution that will result in far more people keeping their lives than if the ban on the hospitality sector doesn't take place.

That first paragraph is genuinely astounding.

You are a proper idiot mate. Leave your house and access reality.

 

[BlueToff]

All correct and far better than I could ever put it

Cheers Tim.

Probably the first time I've managed to at least half-articulate some thoughts correctly in this thread

I'm fed up. I know everyone is. I know nobody is revelling in this. It's crap. I just want a solution other than people being shut in their homes and entire business and livelihoods crumbling, which could happen (and has happened) even with government support.

 

[carlos21]

That first paragraph is genuinely astounding.

You are a proper idiot mate. Leave your house and access reality.

Don't start on Dave here made an amazing post here stop chatting rubbish.

 

[davek]

Realisically we should keep them open and ban everybody over the age 40 from entering.

That would be fine if those same under 40s all lived in a bubble and didn't come into contact with anyone vulnerable. But they do.

It's simple enough for me: just act like a human being - act in a communal way - and stop acting like a gang of spoilt kids who cant get their own way.

Unreal the level of indiscipline in this banana republic.

 

[Nymzee]

There are jobs out there as always, but the problem is that there are hundreds of applicants for some jobs at the minute.

If they are serious about 6 more months of restrictions or even lockdowns, then we are going to have enormous problems. Jobs will be gone and they won't come back.

I mean, I don't personally think they'll shut pubs/restaurants down again for any long period of time myself.

But yeh, still a load of jobs out there that need filling by those industries.

 

[BlueToff]

Progress is being made on that front, so it's not a matter of staying inside forever.

This ^^^ is just flannel for continuing to support people behaving in clearly anti-social ways.

I'm not supporting 'anti-social' (though surely it's not actually anti-social in the traditional sense, it's pro-social) behaviour.

There's been gatherings of 100 or so in the park near me the other day, and the police rightly shut it down and handed out fines. I'm not advocating anything like that.

I wear a mask whenever I go anywhere and me and my housemates are following the rules in terms of having people round and stuff. There's four of us so we've just said nah, not worth the risk, we'll live. Not heroes' work, just being sensible.

I also fully understand that the NHS must be helped through the winter.

I believe in the six months we've had, they could have come up with a better way to do that. But they haven't, so we are where we are.

But come March, with whatever restrictions have come into place between then and now, lockdown should never have to be a solution again. Because it's not sustainable.

 

[Goat]

That would be fine if those same under 40s all lived in a bubble and didn't come into contact with anyone vulnerable. But they do.

It's simple enough for me: just act like a human being - act in a communal way - and stop acting like a gang of spoilt kids who cant get their own way.

Unreal the level of indiscipline in this banana republic.

You wouldn't be saying that if you had the mixed grill I had tonight dave and garlic mushrooms to die for.