Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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davek said:
Health over economy; the 2.5M shielders over the drunkards and 'foodies'.

That is the way a civilised society reacts.
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Both effect each other. You cant keep separating them.

I dont drink, so the bars are pretty irrelevant to me. But I dont want to see people suffer through not being able to pay their bills.

And we do live in a civilised country. Thats why we don't lock people up on a whim like you want to see happen.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Both effect each other. You cant keep separating them.

I dont drink, so the bars are pretty irrelevant to me. But I dont want to see people suffer through not being able to pay their bills.

And we do live in a civilised country. Thats why we don't lock people up on a whim like you want to see happen.
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We've been through this debate. I'm not doing it again for the umpteenth time. Long story short: there is no need for that outcome; itls a political decision to make that happen, there is no inevitablity to closing the hospitality sector and its obliteration.

SHUT THEM DOWN.
 
davek said:
Health over economy; the 2.5M shielders over the drunkards and 'foodies'.

That is the way a civilised society reacts.
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Should those 2.5m people just in stay inside for the rest of their lives?

There's no way out of this other than that, or going back to normal.Those are the options.

Whenever countries ease lockdown measures, there are spikes. The cases will never be low enough and the rate of spread will never be low enough because we don't know how to cope with this virus other than lockdowns and you can't do that forever. Plus, it seems to be mutating, some research suggests?

The only solution is a vaccine which has to be given as a priority to the vulnerable groups. But the damage every country is doing to its general population will have far outweighed the good they have done if lockdowns are still the only solution come spring.
 
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davek said:
We've been through this debate. I'm not doing it again for the umpteenth time. Long story short: there is no need for that outcome; itls a political decision to make that happen, there is no inevitablity to closing the hospitality sector and its obliteration.

SHUT THEM DOWN.
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Have you ever worked or lived with the trade, Dave? This is a genuine question. I'm young but the first 15 years of my life that I can remember were spent without my dad as he owned several bars. It's an all-consuming trade which is always on the edge, one way or the other.

The long-lasting impacts aren't just closing the stuff down now. It's getting people - a lot of whom just seem to want to live in fear, or a 100% risk-free life (which we have never had, we just mitigate as much as poss against those risks) - back out without incentives.

It's getting people to open up new bars/restaurants etc this time next year, when the country/world is in another recession.

It's getting people back to stadiums, or gigs, without them all thinking well why is it worth it anyway if I have to risk isolating for two weeks after.

There's so much more to all this and the SHUT THEM DOWN (bars, cafes, restaurants, schools, whatever) shouts don't solve anything. It's just delaying the inevitable at the end of the day. They'll have to open again at some stage, and when they do there will be a spike, and then what? Close it all down again, and so on and so on.

It's ludicrous.

And i'm not defedning this government. I've been abandoned by them, loads have. They're a shambles. But long-term 'shut them down' is not a solution, and after six months, the world - not just the UK - should be tackling this thing with a long-term view.
 
davek said:
We've been through this debate. I'm not doing it again for the umpteenth time. Long story short: there is no need for that outcome; itls a political decision to make that happen, there is no inevitablity to closing the hospitality sector and its obliteration.

SHUT THEM DOWN.
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Realisically we should keep them open and ban everybody over the age 40 from entering.
 
BlueToff said:
Have you ever worked or lived with the trade, Dave? This is a genuine question. I'm young but the first 15 years of my life that I can remember were spent without my dad as he owned several bars. It's an all-consuming trade which is always on the edge, one way or the other.

The long-lasting impacts aren't just closing the stuff down now. It's getting people - a lot of whom just seem to want to live in fear, or a 100% risk-free life (which we have never had, we just mitigate as much as poss against those risks) - back out without incentives.

It's getting people to open up new bars/restaurants etc this time next year, when the country/world is in another recession.

It's getting people back to stadiums, or gigs, without them all thinking well why is it worth it anyway if I have to risk isolating for two weeks after.

There's so much more to all this and the SHUT THEM DOWN (bars, cafes, restaurants, schools, whatever) shouts don't solve anything. It's just delaying the inevitable at the end of the day. They'll have to open again at some stage, and when they do there will be a spike, and then what? Close it all down again, and so on and so on.

It's ludicrous.

And i'm not defedning this government. I've been abandoned by them, loads have. They're a shambles. But long-term 'shut them down' is not a solution, and after six months, the world - not just the UK - should be tackling this thing with a long-term view.
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Spot on.
 
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