Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[YoboCopter]

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I wonder those of us still didn't get it, were we being careful, or super duper healthy, or we did get it but didn't realise it?

All three, and location is important.
Was shielding a number of persons in full lockdown thus taking their risk and went about my work throughout as I do now... And no, you would not get me in Gym or lycra, ever. We are built for eating and grazing, and the odd sprint up a tree from a predator which has been replaced by quick wobble for that last bog roll.
Have seen some sites when the oversized reckon you going to beat them in queues.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Survey out today saying 60% of Czechs don't want a vaccine. Ffs. Gonna be a long winter for them.

 

[Kenshin]

Asda have face masks available as you walk in now.

Don't recall seeing anyone without one on, although I wasn't really looking.

So the face mask policy finally working it seems

 

[mrb85]

There largely is. Every single pandemic flu or communicable disease outbreak plan will largely describe the same strategies in response to pandemic.

There are certain unknown factors and developing theories, but across most issues there is consensus.

Wasn't much consensus on the value of wearing of masks. There is still fear of contagion outdoors when all the empirical evidence from studies in German and elsewhere indicates very few cases of the virus being caught in an open environment. Likewise there is no evidence and therefore no consensus on the chances of catching the virus direct from a hard surface. And, of course, there is far from consensus on the overall strategic option of severe restrictions or herd immunity. Most importantly of all there is ongoing dispute over how the statistical data is being collected, categorised and analysed (with the only exception being the consensus that the Imperial College data modelling -- as still referenced by the government -- is an absolute joke).

 

[Armchair Blue]

Yes will try first thing in the morning, I’m 3 hours ahead here so won’t have to get up early

Is it 8am they go back on?

Try between 7.30 to 8.00am,I managed to get one just before 8am,took 4 days for the results though.

 

[mrb85]

I can probably summarise a response to all of this by saying 'just because you haven't seen it doesnt mean it doesn't exist'.

P.S behavioural science is included as part of the SAGE meetings, individual areas of the country are monitoring and predicting behaviours and how that might impact spread. To suggest that there are only two methods across the entirety of Europe (UK or Sweden) is bizarre.

Well, if you can direct me to which institutions you are referring to I'd be grateful. Likewise if any debates have been broadcasted on TV please let me know so I can check them out

 

[BlueToff]

The entire behaviour code of lock ins, is that they are like the rule in fight club...

i mean I’ve lived here for 20 years and most of my mates Or their mates work in them.

they’ve been quiet most nights (fridays and saturdays included) for the last few months

 

[mrb85]

With regards to Sweden, it is a much larger country than ours with less than one sixth the population. In fact, if you compare Stockholm’s stats with London’s, taking into account population difference, you will see they are not much different.

I appreciate that. The point I was making though is that Sweden has got to a similiar position as the Uk without adopting such restrictive and damaging policies. And while it is also experiencing increased cases in recent weeks that rate of increase is somewhat slower than our own (not that I put any store by how many positive cases are being found -- look more, particularly amongst population groups believed to be more vulnerable to infection, and you'll find more).

 

[mrb85]

With respect, this is the Dunning-Kruger effect in action... why would you think your estimates on viral spread would beat committees of lifelong experts?

Well, in regards to ICs projections (including the 0.5m quoted, I would firstly take note of their accuracy in regard to previous pandemics......

 

[Jebus_lives]

Wasn't much consensus on the value of wearing of masks. There is still fear of contagion outdoors when all the empirical evidence from studies in German and elsewhere indicates very few cases of the virus being caught in an open environment. Likewise there is no evidence and therefore no consensus on the chances of catching the virus direct from a hard surface. And, of course, there is far from consensus on the overall strategic option of severe restrictions or herd immunity. Most importantly of all there is ongoing dispute over how the statistical data is being collected, categorised and analysed (with the only exception being the consensus that the Imperial College data modelling -- as still referenced by the government -- is an absolute joke).

• You can still catch it outdoors - the likelihood is reduced
• Aside from almost every government in the world, the WHO and each national public health/disease control organisation recommending masks as a mitigation - no there probably isn't a concensus.
• You can catch it from hard surfaces - multiple environmental tests have shown that to be true.
• Herd immunity is a recognised scientific option, but it's politically and ethically suspect
• I've said all along data can't really be trusted, but that's not really a 'scientific' discipline.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Well, if you can direct me to which institutions you are referring to I'd be grateful. Likewise if any debates have been broadcasted on TV please let me know so I can check them out

Too busy. You can find them all easily on ONS websites.

Too busy. I'm sure your extensive research will direct you appropriately.

 

[Walken]

Survey out today saying 60% of Czechs don't want a vaccine. Ffs. Gonna be a long winter for them.

That's very surprising, some horribly dangerous agendas get pushed in this information age

 

[Deleted member 48881]

What do we make out of the situation in China? Barely 4000 'cases' since early april.
Surely due to the heavy lockdown there, if there is a country that should have suffered the most from a second wave it is them? Or are we dealing with pure lies? Or something else altogether that we don't know?

 

[Toast]

No tests available on the gov website have to try again tomorrow.

I phoned them up. Spoke to a helpful fella who was very honest. Told me some testing centres pop up each day in different areas and that the appointments for them go live at 8am online.
Maybe worth being online bang on 8am mate ?