Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nymzee]

Which is good for business in your area.

There's six pubs within a mile of my old place and I'd say 3 have been busy, 3 quiet. But most of them have been quiet after 10:30/11. The one that was busy up until later was the one that was packed last night.

But it's not really reducing the risk of the spread. An hour and a half difference.

And the rules are just so illogical. I'm happy to follow them but you've got to wear a mask to walk in but you can sit down without one. It's all table service but the waiters/waitresses are obviously going around the pub anyway so that doesn't really stop or even limit potential spread.

After the 6 months are up this isn't gonna be gone in March so what are we gonna do? Carry this on like it's perfectly normal behaviour and actually achieving anything?

If you're in a room with someone that has COVID for an hour or a room with one for 5 hours. Which are you more likely to contract the virus?

 

[BlueToff]

Lad in work was feeling like crap about a couple of weeks ago, but still carried on coming in. He phoned up to get a test 2 weeks ago on the Tuesday was told to self-isolate immediately and managed to get one for the Wednesday after he'd finished work, which he still came in for.
Had his test and was informed he would find out within 48 hours and should continue to self-isolate until he received the results, he came into work still on the Thursday and Friday doing overtime as well both days. Friday evening a few of the lads went the pub after work for a beer and low and behold this balloon turned up and sat with them for a couple of hours, then buggered off to 2 more pubs when a couple of his mates turned up.
Saturday morning he informed our manager he'd got a positive test, he sent him the email to prove it and ensured he got full sick pay and would have to self-isolate for 2 weeks. Saturday afternoon he went the pub and met up with some of the lads from work who didn't have a clue he had tested positive, before joining another group of his mates for an afternoon session around town, before heading back to the local and walking around and for some bizzare reason high fiving everybody in the gaff he knew.
Saturday evening he went round every local in the area meeting up with some of the staff from work and stayed out till 1am absolutley shoitefaced, (he considers himself a hardcore red, been everywhere knows everything about football, had to give his season ticket up though because of work, and can't get a ticket these days cos of foreigners... even though us at Goodison still manage to make time to go the game).
Sunday he was up and out early into town for a quick few before heading back to his local area taking in three pubs before settling down in the lacal gaff to watch the shoite play. He stood pontificating aboutl how they're the greatest team ever to all and sundry before eventually staggering home at 11pm.
The manager in work has been going through who this bell has been in touch with and informing them they now have to self-isolate for 2 weeks on statutory sick pay, people are panicking and phoning for tests, but are told unless you have the symptoms you can't get a test. Meanwhile this idiot is now spotted on Monday out shopping without a mask on and chatting to everyone he meets like a latter day Parkinson.
As the week starts to go on a whole clutch a people in work have become ill and tested positive for Covid, including one poor chap who had only been back a short while after having underlying health concerns, always wears a mask, gloves etc... eats his dinner and has his breaks in his car, but billy big bollocks decided to go and chat to him, he apparently is in a bad way and has been hospitalised. Work have know had to inform PHE to inform them of the cluster, everything has been deep cleaned and track and trace have been getting in touch informing everybody and everywhere this nugget has been.
Unfortunately as far as they are concerned he hasn't been out of the house since he first phoned up requesting a test nearly a fortnight ago Tuesday. But this turd has been frolicking around for a further 7 days, only stopping going out when he's began receiving some strongly worded calls to his phone which he's now stopped answering.
Swear some people are massive idiots to put it lightly...

Well surely in this instance if there's proof of him having been out his/your work have the right to terminate his contract? Surely it'd count as endangering others?

The first instance - him coming into work despite feeling crap, I can't really blame him for. You can feel crap without it being covid, in fact likelihood is we'll all at some point feel crap in the coming weeks as the weather changes and the percentage of chance that it'll be covid will be very low.

But once he was getting tested he should have stopped coming in straight away.

 

[roydo]

I know this is a huge thread now but can this be made some form of sticky post? It contains great advice for everyone.

Great idea. And done

 

[JLW]

Another couple of things :

Book an online slot with a supermarket for home delivery as non of you will be able to go out until the quarantine expiry expires.

Go and get as many packs of paracetamol and ibuprofen as you can get today, as the supermarket will only deliver 2 packs by law.

Yes mate going to that today stock up on supplies via online shopping. (And no we won’t be buying 2000 big rolls) just the what’s needed for the next two weeks.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Same.

Walking is better in the winter and especially in the autumn.

Yeah, I love walking in the cold.

 

[BlueToff]

If you're in a room with someone that has COVID for an hour or a room with one for 5 hours. Which are you more likely to contract the virus?

But if you go to the pub at 7pm and it shuts at 10pm or 11pm that isn't a four-hour difference, it's one hour.

None of them round me have been having lock-ins or anything. Like I said, most have been quiet by 10pm anyway so in terms of it impacting that side of the business I don't think it's huge.

It's more that it really doesn't do anything to limit the spread, even though I know they're doing it to ensure they don't have to shut everything down again.

I walk through the pub in a mask to go to the toilet, but when i'm in the toilet I have to touch everything else that's been touched. I had my own hand sanitizer with me so used that, but my mask isn't protecting myself or others from anything I'm touching and there's a chance I or someone else could spread that on.

Then you can go and sit at a table - in your group of six - which in some, probably most, pubs is closer than 2m to other people/other groups, who are also not wearing masks.

My point is you can't eliminate the risk and these measures don't really even seem to limit it or mitigate it that much either.

So we can do them to get through the winter, but then when COVID is still here in March, and we haven't got a vaccine, well I doubt they're going to have made much of a difference in the grand scheme of things other than put people off actually wanting to do anything.

I don't have the answer I just wish there was some light at the end of the tunnel and after six/seven months there appears to be none.

 

[Dan Tanner]

He'll be lucky to get his contract terminated and not his life, management have heard the rumours he was out but can't get anyone to go on record, he's feined ignorance that he didn't know he had to isolate until he got the result despite the whole of the country understanding that.
He also was sitting next to our union rep in the pub for about an hour asking about sick pay without telling him he'd had the test so he's not particulary warmed to this melt at the moment either.
It'll be wait and see what happens when he eventually get back into work.

 

[Dan Tanner]

Well surely in this instance if there's proof of him having been out his/your work have the right to terminate his contract? Surely it'd count as endangering others?

The first instance - him coming into work despite feeling crap, I can't really blame him for. You can feel crap without it being covid, in fact likelihood is we'll all at some point feel crap in the coming weeks as the weather changes and the percentage of chance that it'll be covid will be very low.

But once he was getting tested he should have stopped coming in straight away.

He'll be lucky to get his contract terminated and not his life, management have heard the rumours he was out but can't get anyone to go on record, he's feined ignorance that he didn't know he had to isolate until he got the result despite the whole of the country understanding that.
He also was sitting next to our union rep in the pub for about an hour asking about sick pay without telling him he'd had the test so he's not particulary warmed to this melt at the moment either.
It'll be wait and see what happens when he eventually get back into work.

 

[Nymzee]

But if you go to the pub at 7pm and it shuts at 10pm or 11pm that isn't a four-hour difference, it's one hour.

None of them round me have been having lock-ins or anything. Like I said, most have been quiet by 10pm anyway so in terms of it impacting that side of the business I don't think it's huge.

It's more that it really doesn't do anything to limit the spread, even though I know they're doing it to ensure they don't have to shut everything down again.

I walk through the pub in a mask to go to the toilet, but when i'm in the toilet I have to touch everything else that's been touched. I had my own hand sanitizer with me so used that, but my mask isn't protecting myself or others from anything I'm touching and there's a chance I or someone else could spread that on.

Then you can go and sit at a table - in your group of six - which in some, probably most, pubs is closer than 2m to other people/other groups, who are also not wearing masks.

My point is you can't eliminate the risk and these measures don't really even seem to limit it or mitigate it that much either.

So we can do them to get through the winter, but then when COVID is still here in March, and we haven't got a vaccine, well I doubt they're going to have made much of a difference in the grand scheme of things other than put people off actually wanting to do anything.

I don't have the answer I just wish there was some light at the end of the tunnel and after six/seven months there appears to be none.

Again, more time = more exposure = more chance to contract a virus.

It's not rocket science.

Maybe even a friend that unknowingly has the virus and normally goes to your pub skips it because of the curfew and you're then not possibly catching it off them.

 

[BlueToff]

Exact same as my lads symptoms.

Whilst you’re waiting to get a test my advice would be to make a list of all his school friends who’s he been with in the last 48hrs and try to contact their parents to give them the heads up.

If they’re responsible they should shelve any plans in lieu of their kids developing symptoms.

Same goes for anything like footy etc.

Email his school too ( I know it’s the weekend) so they know first thing Monday morning and can start the ball rolling.

Practically for the family he needs isolating now, keep him upstairs in his room.

Have a load of sanitary stuff upstairs as you’ll need to wipe down things like door handles, the toilet, taps etc constantly.

From now on, he has his own mug, plate, knife and fork etc, which will need proper disinfecting after each time he uses them.

Main thing is keep him isolated.

He’ll be off school for 10 days if the positive test comes back and everyone in your house needs to self isolate too ( 14 days if the test comes back )

Anything else give me a shout.

And @JLW lots of tissues... he might need them....

But in all seriousness hope he's okay. I know I get frustrated about the actions/measures etc all being bafflingly inept to me, but I don't deny this thing is real.

I'm sure your son will be fine. If there's an age to fight off COVID it'll be the age he's at now.

 

[BlueToff]

Again, more time = more exposure = more chance to contract a virus.

It's not rocket science.

Maybe even a friend that unknowingly has the virus and normally goes to your pub skips it because of the curfew and you're then not possibly catching it off them.

I understand that. Just not sure one hour makes that much of a difference (again, I'm not bothered about staying out til 11pm, I'd rather be at home tbh). But when I saw how busy it was last night, that hour isn't gonna make much of a difference to the spread.

 

[Nymzee]

I understand that. Just not sure one hour makes that much of a difference (again, I'm not bothered about staying out til 11pm, I'd rather be at home tbh). But when I saw how busy it was last night, that hour isn't gonna make much of a difference to the spread.

Well it's more like 2 hours in reality as most pubs I know are open till midnight.

Like I said originally outside of fully shutting them down/full lockdowns there's not much they can do but to me it's a smart easy step.

Pubs being absolutely rammed is an issue for the proprietors to limit the customers (they won't) or for people to realise there are other things to do on a Friday night.

 

[JLW]

And @JLW lots of tissues... he might need them....

But in all seriousness hope he's okay. I know I get frustrated about the actions/measures etc all being bafflingly inept to me, but I don't deny this thing is real.

I'm sure your son will be fine. If there's an age to fight off COVID it'll be the age he's at now.

Yeah he’ll be fine, and I’m of the same thoughts of you it is real but I don’t live in fear of it at all. My lad has followed the rules mask/Social distancing etc.. but for sure he’s picked this up in college, he’s been back for just over two weeks now.

 

[BlueToff]

Well it's more like 2 hours in reality as most pubs I know are open till midnight.

Like I said originally outside of fully shutting them down/full lockdowns there's not much they can do but to me it's a smart easy step.

Pubs being absolutely rammed is an issue for the proprietors to limit the customers (they won't) or for people to realise there are other things to do on a Friday night.

They used to be but as I said around my way they've been quiet by 10/10:30 - weather dependent. Most of them have big beer gardens so through the summer were having people out there. Issue was it'd be cold by 10 so people would be getting off I suppose.

The one I went to yesterday was doing it on the basis of nobody in the pub if they had someone at every table. They have outdoor seating but once the weather turns fully that isn't going to get used.

Of course there are other things to do on a Friday night. Except most of those are shut down too And unfortunately you can't have that dodgy seventh mate round

 

[paultheblue]

And they’ll all whinge when they’re not allowed to leave their house except for the shop or a run again. Idiots must have swiftly forgotten how good we’ve got it now compared to April.

It is definitely heading for a full lock down as it is the only way to surpress the virus.
The trouble is the country can not afford a second lockdown.
If they had used the time in the first lockdown to prepare properly for opening up again we could have avoided this mess.