Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

Her mate is in the Old Bill too lol

 

[mrb85]

Excess deaths well over 60,000. Dont be quoting figures that have ben massaged down by a government desperate to cover it's criminal acts.

Excess deaths figures are useful but flawed anyway. Making conclusions on the basis of indirect inference from related data is very much second best compared to examining the core counts, principally taken from death certificates. If you're castigating the government for acting too late then you've presumably got to be referencing in relation to other countries, to, for example, the German figure of 20,000 deaths, hence my use of the 41,000 figure. And of course, the fact that the German count is more of a count of the true cause of death rather than our own which is a count of deaths 'with' the virus, would suggest that the UK figure is something of an overstatement if seeking to compare like with like.

 

[COYBL25]

Good to see the Red Flag flying well and truly in here again lol

 

[Goat]

Covid deaths are currently running at less than 15% of flu deaths (and we're not into the flu season yet) with little sign of significant upturn. We live normal lives in the face of flu; we need the same in the continuation of Covid.

Prof Whitty also said that even though different parts of the UK were seeing cases rising at different rates, and even though some age groups are affected more than others, the evolving situation "is all of our problem".
He added that evidence from other countries showed infections were "not staying just in the younger age groups" but were "moving up the age bands".
He said mortality rates from Covid-19 were "significantly greater" than seasonal flu, which killed around 7,000 annually or 20,000 in a bad year.


20k a year in a bad flu year.

Currently around 50k for rona, in 6months.

 

[Deckard2049]

Because only the selfish young have a problem with our current strategy...

 

[degsy]

You cant be seriously suggesting that Johnson's mishandling of the crisis in March when he refused to upset big business by closing the economy down would have been replicated by a LP in power under Corbyn who were critical of his delays?


Please dont offer any support via the backdoor for murders like Johnson, Gove, Hancock etc etc.

Then don't do the classic davek 101 tactic of moving the goalposts and, worse than that, don't insult me with shight like that last line.
For as you well know I never hinted in any way shape or form anything like that.

What I said was you can't tell what Corbyn and a labour govt would have done

Opinion is not fact
Wishing it so is not fact.
You talking shight does seem to be a fact on this occasion though.

 

[COYBL25]

Excess deaths figures are useful but flawed anyway. Making conclusions on the basis of indirect inference from related data is very much second best compared to examining the core counts, principally taken from death certificates. If you're castigating the government for acting too late then you've presumably got to be referencing in relation to other countries, to, for example, the German figure of 20,000 deaths, hence my use of the 41,000 figure. And of course, the fact that the German count is more of a count of the true cause of death rather than our own which is a count of deaths 'with' the virus, would suggest that the UK figure is something of an overstatement if seeking to compare like with like.

Bombs away

 

[Goat]

Because only the selfish young have a problem with our current strategy...

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Wondered why I hadn't seen his tweets for a while.

 

[RAFUH]

If one person refuses to get a vaccine (young and healthy) another person gets vaccinated (old and unhealthy), can the former make the latter sick? If not, I don't see a decision to make it compulsory, IMHO.

Yes. The vaccine isn't 100% effective although it generally will lessen the severity of flu symptoms.
Additionally their are people, including neonates/infants, that can't have the vaccine.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Yes. The vaccine isn't 100% effective although it generally will lessen the severity of flu symptoms.
Additionally their are people, including neonates/infants, that can't have the vaccine.

thanks

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Just in, Czech Minister of Health resigned after the cases rocketed up.

 

[COYBL25]

Just in, Czech Minister of Health resigned after the cases rocketed up.

The correct term is Czech not the Banana Republic.

Thank you.

 

[Deckard2049]

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Wondered why I hadn't seen his tweets for a while.

I‘d be interested to see him or Gupta in a debate with Whitty or Valance.

Follow the science now means “agree with the scientist whose statements back up your own point of view rather than challenge your beliefs”. Some open, reasoned debate amongst them would be good.

 

[Kenshin]

Excess deaths well over 60,000. Dont be quoting figures that have ben massaged down by a government desperate to cover it's criminal acts.

I'm not saying there isn't 60 000 excessive deaths because that may be true.

Over the last few weeks at least however average deaths are down 15%. Up to 1000 less people a week based on a 5 year average.

Perhaps there isn't 60000 excessive deaths and the figures are just balancing out now. Still , what 30-40 thousand more this year but you can't talk about the highest number and not factor in the average dropping by so much now.

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This is either going to save our lives or it is the worst piece of scaremongering. I love the way they title it If doubling occurred..

That will be it now, if this happens.

If it means actions are taking place to make sure it doesn't say are rather than if then fine.

 

[Goat]

I‘d be interested to see him or Gupta in a debate with Whitty or Valance.

Follow the science now means “agree with the scientist whose statements back up your own point of view rather than challenge your beliefs”. Some open, reasoned debate amongst them would be good.

That Kaveh fella isn't a scientist, he's a Tory bot.