Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[COYBL25]

Using your own numbers, you believe that the overwhelming majority of the country (50 million + people) should have their lives potentially shattered in order to help a much smaller amount of people? Lockdown or no lockdown these people would be shielding anyway

Why in your world is there never any compromise? Never any pragmatism? In your world people are either a lockdown enthusiast or a murderer. It’s madness. The glee with which you talk about an impending lockdown and the glib way you dismiss legitimate concerns people have about their income, future, mental health etc. And there’s plenty more issues related to lockdown.

Here’s an interview with someone from the CDC; https://www.buckinstitute.org/covid-webinar-series-transcript-robert-redfield-md/

Here’s an extract:
But even worse than that, if you go to Africa where our polio eradication program and our measles vaccine programs have really come to a halt because of COVID concerns and field workers are not out there. I now have 120 million children in Sub Saharan Africa that haven’t received the measles vaccine. And they’re very at risk to die from measles. And they’re very limited risk dying from COVID.

Here’s another;

But there has been another cost that we’ve seen, particularly in high schools. We’re seeing, sadly, far greater suicides now than we are deaths from COVID. We’re seeing far greater deaths from drug overdose that are above excess that we had as background than we are seeing the deaths from COVID.

In the interest of fairness, this MD advocates the closing of bars. He discusses a lot about the way to continue to fight Covid. But it’s BALANCED. He actually acknowledges that perhaps in some cases the cure can be worse than the disease. And you know, he’s a doctor, not some football fan on a forum as you like to label others...

The reason there is no compromise, is that he hides behind appearing to care about the vulnerable, when the reality is the sole purpose of every post, he posts on here, is to try push his extreme political views on anyone who will listen.

 

[arminisgod]

Isnt this dismissing reality and just treating everything as how it should be?

Again, where am I more at risk? At someone's house socially distanced , with a mask and sanitiser. Or outside a pub , drunk with like 100 other people all not social distancing , not wearing masks and probably not washed their hands all night?

Honestly mate, which one puts me more at risk? Because one is fine to do and the other isn't.

You can't give an extreme example of one and not the other! People do not social distance inside houses. Just saying u will doesn't mean you will be. Not all pubs are like that.

I don't agree with the house policy but I understand it

 

[Kenshin]

You can't give an extreme example of one and not the other! People do not social distance inside houses. Just saying u will doesn't mean you will be. Not all pubs are like that.

I don't agree with the house policy but I understand it

How is drunk people outside a pub an extreme example?! That is every weekend in any town centre. In fact, that is a normal example.

Saying people don't social distance in houses (or gardens) is much more of an extreme example. Especially given that is assuming people sit in a room directly next to each other and not on separate couches at least 2 metres from each other.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Fairly seismic cancelling the NY fireworks. The right thing to do obviously but just shows what they think the outlook is going to be like over Christmas...

Coronavirus: London's New Year's Eve fireworks cancelled

Mayor Sadiq Khan says "we simply can't afford to have numbers of people congregating".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[roydo]

Fairly seismic cancelling the NY fireworks. The right thing to do obviously but just shows what they think the outlook is going to be over Christmas...

Coronavirus: London's New Year's Eve fireworks cancelled

Mayor Sadiq Khan says "we simply can't afford to have numbers of people congregating".

www.bbc.co.uk

Sturgeon cancelled New Year Eve in Edinburgh, iirc.

 

[Toast]

Fairly seismic cancelling the NY fireworks. The right thing to do obviously but just shows what they think the outlook is going to be like over Christmas...

Coronavirus: London's New Year's Eve fireworks cancelled

Mayor Sadiq Khan says "we simply can't afford to have numbers of people congregating".

www.bbc.co.uk

I watch Jools Holland anyway.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Whilst Sweden who never had an official lockdown continue to see a drop in infections and deaths... it’s almost as if lockdown isn’t the Panacea some would make it out to be.

It does seem as though it can be avoided if people aren't massive knobheads.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Whilst Sweden who never had an official lockdown continue to see a drop in infections and deaths... it’s almost as if lockdown isn’t the Panacea some would make it out to be.

Sweden isn't a massive transport hub as far as I know and I would also guess they have a lot less people per square mile too. There isn't a one size fits all solution, what is ok for one country/region might not work for another.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Fairly seismic cancelling the NY fireworks. The right thing to do obviously but just shows what they think the outlook is going to be like over Christmas...

Coronavirus: London's New Year's Eve fireworks cancelled

Mayor Sadiq Khan says "we simply can't afford to have numbers of people congregating".

www.bbc.co.uk

If you make the reasonable assumption that we're a few weeks behind France and Spain, then October could see a significant spike in numbers. How the winter will look seems largely to rest on whether high case numbers translates into high hospitalisation rates.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sweden isn't a massive transport hub as far as I know and I would also guess they have a lot less people per square mile too. There isn't a one size fits all solution, what is ok for one country/region might not work for another.

To be fair though, the Netherlands is, and they've taken a pretty similar approach to the Swedes. As with much of Europe, they're seeing a significant spike in case numbers, but deaths remain very low. Their economy is largely open I believe.

 

[Hickson9]

You can't give an extreme example of one and not the other! People do not social distance inside houses. Just saying u will doesn't mean you will be. Not all pubs are like that.

I don't agree with the house policy but I understand it

How is drunk people outside a pub an extreme example?! That is every weekend in any town centre. In fact, that is a normal example.

Saying people don't social distance in houses (or gardens) is much more of an extreme example. Especially given that is assuming people sit in a room directly next to each other and not on separate couches at least 2 metres from each other.

The house policy I think is primarily designed to stop house parties with lots of people, which combines the worst case scenario of lots of drunk people not socially distancing and puts them in a none regulated environment.

It also stops big family gatherings where that might not be happening.

Pubs/Restaurants etc. are regulated and liable. That, along with protecting the economy also indirectly helping save lives, is why they can remain open.

 

[The binman chronicles]

To be fair though, the Netherlands is, and they've taken a pretty similar approach to the Swedes. As with much of Europe, they're seeing a significant spike in case numbers, but deaths remain very low. Their economy is largely open I believe.

Aren't deaths fairly low across Europe at the moment despite the rise in cases?

It appears we first have to see the hospitals full to capacity which then overwhelms the ability to administer care and then the deaths rise accordingly.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

To be fair though, the Netherlands is, and they've taken a pretty similar approach to the Swedes. As with much of Europe, they're seeing a significant spike in case numbers, but deaths remain very low. Their economy is largely open I believe.

Was there last weekend. You can sit at the bar. Just imagine.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Aren't deaths fairly low across Europe at the moment despite the rise in cases?

It appears we first have to see the hospitals full to capacity which then overwhelms the ability to administer care and then the deaths rise accordingly.

In the vast majority of cases the 14 day quarantine once you show symptoms prevents you infecting anybody else and keeps you from spreading it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Was there last weekend. You can sit at the bar. Just imagine.

Some of us have to sit as if we tried to stand, we'd never get served