Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[navidson]

The 10pm thing makes perfect sense to me.

When I was in Liverpool 2 weeks ago, I went for dinner and drinks on Saturday night in a restaurant in town (table service).

Walking back to get the last train from Central and town around Concert Square was ridiculous. Absolutely bouncing. No social distancing. Shisha pipes being shared. Kissing. Hugging. Dancing. Even Popworld (a nightclub) was open.

The 10pm closing down of restaurants/pubs/bars/clubs will put a stop on those big nights out, when people are least likely to be social distancing.

Completely agree with this - The couple of pubs I went into were all very well managed, socially distanced, all table service, track and trace, hand sanitiser everywhere, one in one out policy in the toilets

Then you get the seething Petri Dish of human waste that is Concert Square and you may as well lash all of that common sense in the bin

 

[Simon Buttle]

University’s advice is still for students to travel back and be ready for start of term.
They will be desperate to get some money back in.

It is, but it's remote learning for all students for the foreseeable future where i work. I don't personally like the way my work is handling things tbh, they still want a shed load of money from the students for halls (even though most don't need them anymore) Some courses are now not actually being run this year (even though students already had a place on them) I get things are difficult at the moment but we are only a small university (about 5500 students) id hate to work at a big one tbh it would be a nightmare, and make no mistake uni's have plenty of money!

 

[davek]

Nope.

Pub and restaurant revenues in July were down 50% YoY.

Eat out to Help out assisted August figures but still not to a normal year. And that is after months of zero trading.

As for the bolded bit, to hell with all those people employed and their jobs eh ? 1.5 million of them in pubs and restaurants btw.

You focus on the healthy 1.5M who are in no danger of being taken by the virus; I'll focus on the 2.5M vulnerable people who have had to shield for 8 months becuase their government failed to lockdown on time and because many of their fellow citizens are indisciplined and selfish bells.

Every post you make underlines your lack of clarity.

*The second wave - ha ha ha...What second wave? ha ha ha*

Bankrupt.

 

[Deckard2049]

Nope.

Pub and restaurant revenues in July were down 50% YoY.

Eat out to Help out assisted August figures but still not to a normal year. And that is after months of zero trading.

As for the bolded bit, to hell with all those people employed and their jobs eh ? 1.5 million of them in pubs and restaurants btw.

They can be retrained and hired as part of Davek’s Covid Stasi.

 

[zzr45]

Spoke to a manager of a gym today (one of the big chains). They’ve had an email saying that gyms are not one of the places where the government is concerned about the spread. No need at this point to make plans on how to deal with a potential temporary closure.

There was an article a few months back that suggested that there had been absolutely no evidence of the spread of COVID at a gym anywhere in Europe. Truly one of those bizarre things that got shut for no good reason.

 

[COYBL25]

They can be retrained and hired as part of Davek’s Covid Stasi.

Big Davek is watching you.

 

[arminisgod]

Ok. So if it's so easy to grasp.

If I am in someone's house I can socially distance , wear a mask and santitise my hands regularly.

Outside pubs in town on a Saturday night will be full of drunk people who by that point will have no self awareness to socially distance with each other. You know because they are drunk, no way is a drunk person keeping 2 metres apart and not hugging everyone they meet down the street for example.

Yet by your logic, sanitised, socially distanced and mask wearing me is at more risk with a friend or family member than Mr and Mrs drunkards hugging and dancing and getting off with random people after being in the pub.

Does that make sense ?

Not really. Pubs can prove they can do social distancing you and your family can't. With all places having to be table service and 10pm curfew what your describing isn't that likely you'd think.

Not all pubs are like that

 

[Charro]

Who said anything about the economy per se?

I'm talking about hospitality. It is an incubator for the virus.

You’re happy for the hospitality sector to be completely destroyed, creating massive job loses, thus having a negative impact on the economy.

As I said, we can protect lives and people’s jobs. You seem unwilling to entertain this idea.

 

[Brennan]

You focus on the healthy 1.5M who are in no danger of being taken by the virus; I'll focus on the 2.5M vulnerable people who have had to shield for 8 months becuase their government failed to lockdown on time and because many of their fellow citizens are indisciplined and selfish bells.

Every post you make underlines your lack of clarity.

*The second wave - ha ha ha...What second wave? ha ha ha*

Bankrupt.

Classic.

Ignoring the fact that you were wrong and pulled up on it, and then start rabbiting on about focus and shielding which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, which is you not being arsed about millions being unemployed.

 

[COYBL25]

You focus on the healthy 1.5M who are in no danger of being taken by the virus; I'll focus on the 2.5M vulnerable people who have had to shield for 8 months becuase their government failed to lockdown on time and because many of their fellow citizens are indisciplined and selfish bells.

Every post you make underlines your lack of clarity.

*The second wave - ha ha ha...What second wave? ha ha ha*

Bankrupt.

Yet as we’re seeing right across Europe, the upturn in infections is not the sole preserve of the U.K. Banana Republic PLC.

Are we to blame for the problems in Spain, France,Czech et al ?

Maybe just maybe it’s the human desire to be with other people that’s largely to blame.

 

[Toast]

It is, but it's remote learning for all students for the foreseeable future where i work. I don't personally like the way my work is handling things tbh, they still want a shed load of money from the students for halls (even though most don't need them anymore) Some courses are now not actually being run this year (even though students already had a place on them) I get things are difficult at the moment but we are only a small university (about 5500 students) id hate to work at a big one tbh it would be a nightmare, and make no mistake uni's have plenty of money!

My lad is due to travel back up to Liverpool next weekend to continue his degree.
Do you think it will all just end up as remote learning ? If so, he could just do it from down here I assume ?

@Simon Buttle

 

[Kenshin]

Not really. Pubs can prove they can do social distancing you and your family can't. With all places having to be table service and 10pm curfew what your describing isn't that likely you'd think.

Not all pubs are like that

Isnt this dismissing reality and just treating everything as how it should be?

Again, where am I more at risk? At someone's house socially distanced , with a mask and sanitiser. Or outside a pub , drunk with like 100 other people all not social distancing , not wearing masks and probably not washed their hands all night?

Honestly mate, which one puts me more at risk? Because one is fine to do and the other isn't.

 

[Deckard2049]

You focus on the healthy 1.5M who are in no danger of being taken by the virus; I'll focus on the 2.5M vulnerable people who have had to shield for 8 months becuase their government failed to lockdown on time and because many of their fellow citizens are indisciplined and selfish bells.

Every post you make underlines your lack of clarity.

*The second wave - ha ha ha...What second wave? ha ha ha*

Bankrupt.

Using your own numbers, you believe that the overwhelming majority of the country (50 million + people) should have their lives potentially shattered in order to help a much smaller amount of people? Lockdown or no lockdown these people would be shielding anyway

Why in your world is there never any compromise? Never any pragmatism? In your world people are either a lockdown enthusiast or a murderer. It’s madness. The glee with which you talk about an impending lockdown and the glib way you dismiss legitimate concerns people have about their income, future, mental health etc. And there’s plenty more issues related to lockdown.

Here’s an interview with someone from the CDC; https://www.buckinstitute.org/covid-webinar-series-transcript-robert-redfield-md/

Here’s an extract:
But even worse than that, if you go to Africa where our polio eradication program and our measles vaccine programs have really come to a halt because of COVID concerns and field workers are not out there. I now have 120 million children in Sub Saharan Africa that haven’t received the measles vaccine. And they’re very at risk to die from measles. And they’re very limited risk dying from COVID.

Here’s another;

But there has been another cost that we’ve seen, particularly in high schools. We’re seeing, sadly, far greater suicides now than we are deaths from COVID. We’re seeing far greater deaths from drug overdose that are above excess that we had as background than we are seeing the deaths from COVID.

In the interest of fairness, this MD advocates the closing of bars. He discusses a lot about the way to continue to fight Covid. But it’s BALANCED. He actually acknowledges that perhaps in some cases the cure can be worse than the disease. And you know, he’s a doctor, not some football fan on a forum as you like to label others...

 

[Deckard2049]

Yet as we’re seeing right across Europe, the upturn in infections is not the sole preserve of the U.K. Banana Republic PLC.

Are we to blame for the problems in Spain, France,Czech et al ?

Maybe just maybe it’s the human desire to be with other people that’s largely to blame.

Whilst Sweden who never had an official lockdown continue to see a drop in infections and deaths... it’s almost as if lockdown isn’t the Panacea some would make it out to be.

 

[Simon Buttle]

My lad is due to travel back up to Liverpool next weekend to continue his degree.
Do you think it will all just end up as remote learning ? If so, he could just do it from down here I assume ?

I think he might be ok at Liverpool as it's much bigger and the teaching spaces and lecture halls will be bigger and there will be more of them so it will be easier for the university to set everything up for the students to learn in and keep to social distancing etc etc. I'm in Chichester which is a small university and our rooms simply are not big enough to social distance in. We specialize here in performing arts and sport and at the moment all that stuff is very group orientated and things like the dance/acting rooms and the gyms and stuff are all just off limits at the moment.