Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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bluejim95 said:
The impact of Covid has only just begun. The mentality won't go away for a while, most likely years, by which time it will be normal.

Some industries will go bust, as much as I feel for the people, its the way of the economy we are trying to protect. Like say Cinemas, small, crammed in, no ventilation, cheaper alternatives... will be surprised if they make it.

We will have to adapt, the economy will adapt and jobs will with it. We might even see value in jobs that currently are bottom of the pile. Business never operates in national interest, quite often owned by other nations, our millionaires shown up for being the money grabbing people we really knew they were.

Those looking to the ideal past, I'm not sure you'll see it again. The government are already begging people back to the office, its just not going to happen. When such an event happens, life rarely returns to as it was before.

In some ways, that virus has shown us a way. Its done more for the environment in 6 months than mankind has done in 100 years. Its showing us that our schooling is dated, are daily lifes wasteful, are governments slack, no one saves for a rainy day anymore, and that our true heroes don't wear capes. With much pain, it has come with human sacrifice, how often is that the case.

I feel for those that have lost loved ones, I hope that I don't become part of those statistics. The company I work for has so far lost 28 people to the virus. 28 families without a loved one. In percentage terms I expect its nothing, imagine your life being evaluated to 0.0001%. Then go and trot those stats over to one of those 28 families and be sure to let us know how you get on.

I do get your sentiment, there are no doubt better ways. But please dont ask us to consider the condition of your hands whilst you belittle life to a statistic.
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Daughter was up last night with a temperature and coughing. I’m 90% certain that it’s a cold and she’s absolutely fine. Can’t get a test atm so we are isolating from yesterday. That’s totally fine with us as we can WFH but I can see how that would be a nightmare for some people.

you are talking kids going back to school. How many bugs do they get?

it’s going to put a lot of strain and stress on some families and people who don’t have the luxury of WFH.

The testing capability really does need to get better. This doesn’t really seem sustainable/workable.
 
zzr45 said:
No. You have decided they should and therefore they do. If a gym or salon has it's doors shut, same with a pub or restaurant it doesn't matter if it's summer or winter, the same amount of ’air’ is still in the building. Add to the fact again that it isn't how viruses spread.

I love your reductive reasoning as ever, it's September therefore it is cold and pubs and restaurants will have their doors shut compared to July, which apparently is ’out of season’ for the hospitality industry gyms and salons, whatever the hell that means.
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First of all, my position was always that they should have been shut down right through the summer. Second, if you are going to have them open, then it was safer (not safe, SAFER) to open them when the R-number in the population was at a low point...which is what happened after the lockdown took effect AND the better weather menat that less people were spending time indoors.

I do hope that claifies matters for you. This is basic stuff, but you choose to present yourself as an epidemiologist when you're just a rambling voice on a football forum.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Closing schools is literally the worst thing we could do, and will just increase the underachievement of less well off kids.
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...it is one of the key things we MUST do if the virus this winter isn't to kill tens of thousands.

As always, this is basically a health v economy issue. The real reason those kids are going back to school is not schooling and socialising it's to allow their parents to be sent back to work.

Take it or leave it: if we are to avoid a huge surge in deaths we are going to have to go back into a March-May lockdown scenario again.
 
davek said:
First of all, my position was always that they should have been shut down right through the summer. Second, if you are going to have them open, then it was safer (not safe, SAFER) to open them when the R-number in the population was at a low point...which is what happened after the lockdown took effect AND the better weather menat that less people were spending time indoors.

I do hope that claifies matters for you. This is basic stuff, but you choose to present yourself as an epidemiologist when you're just a rambling voice on a football forum.
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He has a professional involvement in top level sport, so I’d say he’s a bit more than a rambling voice on the internet.
 
davek said:
...it is one of the key things we MUST do if the virus this winter isn't to kill tens of thousands.

As always, this is basically a health v economy issue. The real reason those kids are going back to school is not schooling and socialising it's to allow their parents to be sent back to work.

Take it or leave it: if we are to avoid a huge surge in deaths we are going to have to go back into a March-May lockdown scenario again.
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Oh Dave, it's really not. Both are of vital importance and directly effect each other.
 
davek said:
They have to be shut down; same with universities. Remote learning for all but the kids of key workers until the virus is under control again.
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Remote learning sounds fine in theory, and would be fine for university students, but when my granddaughters school tried it, it was not only a bit of a shambles, but the content and learning of an hours video contained the same as 2-3 minutes of myself teaching her. I would like schools to develop the right material and processes for remote learning, but I’m not really sure that the teaching unions would be for it. Once material is developed and class videos produced we would not need quite so many teachers......
 
ToffeeTim said:
Oh Dave, it's really not. Both are of vital importance and directly effect each other.
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...yada yada yada.

You KNOW that if another wave of deaths are to be avoided we need a national effort to control movement.

Look, I get it. Many of you have been (willingly) seduced into swallowing the 'no lockdown' mantra, but it doesn't make it right.

There are a lot of people arguing for no lockdown on the basis of their own liberty to do and go wherever the hell they want regardless of it's impact on others.

Me, I see 2.5M who are facing a nightmare and I wont ever forget them. They are uppermost on mind, not shoving a few 'kin pasties down me gob and swilling them down with 6 pints of ale.
 
peteblue said:
Remote learning sounds fine in theory, and would be fine for university students, but when my granddaughters school tried it, it was not only a bit of a shambles, but the content and learning of an hours video contained the same as 2-3 minutes of myself teaching her. I would like schools to develop the right material and processes for remote learning, but I’m not really sure that the teaching unions would be for it. Once material is developed and class videos produced we would not need quite so many teachers......
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Well like anything else, it will get better and smoother over time. And it's uneven: some kids thrive with the format, others struggle - and you'll get that with face-to-face teaching.
 
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