Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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We shouldn’t take anything from those numbers, as a ‘point in time’, per capita infection rate is meaningless. Absolutely shocking if you’ve just seen that on the BBC news, as, devoid of context, it’s irrelevant. We could point to a time in January / February, where the infection rate was that low.
What matters is the growth rate. Currently cases are doubling every 7/8 days, whereas in July it was halving every 8/9 days.
AUXLEN
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There must be face shield 'arrivals' videos already surely...
AUXLEN
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Can you imagine the inside after a messy day on the lash...caked in lippy, lemo and sick.
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Yesterday I went into a shop but forgot to put my mask on (normally I do it outside just before entering shops etc.). When I realised and pulled a mask from my pocket, the shopkeeper said: "Oh don't worry about that mate, we're a COVID friendly shop". Then went on to say: "We don't believe in all that Coronavirus crap, or that people should be forced to wear masks. It's all a load of nonsense". I thought 'COVID friendly? WTF?'.
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I agree with your first paragraph, Amw.
As for the second paragraph, all I can say is that infection growth rate does not necessarily equate to an exponential death rate. 'Infection' or whatever else one might term susceptability to something, in whatever form, should not be the rider for utter, absolute, panic, which is what we are seeing with Covid from those in power (whether the 'panic' being impressed upon us is real or imaginary). And I am not being flippant when I say that. My hereditary 'infection' is hardening of the arteries. My father died of a heart attack aged 50. I suffered a heart attack aged 50. A triple bypass and 4 tablets each day and I'm still kicking around. So a fixation regarding infection is to me, somewhat inflated, and potentially misleading. We have never seen such action regarding flu in winter. It might be interesting to see, for example, the weekly flu infection/death rates for last winter's months as a comparison to present covid figures. Or perhaps, once we get into this forthcoming winter, the respective infection/death rates for Covid & flu as independent figures (although I suspect they will be intermingled so the powers-that-be can be deliberately obtuse to the general population).
Just putting the above out for consideration. Like everyone else, I don't know what the answer is...
The bit in bold is obviously true, and not what I said. But, stopping us getting to exponential growth of infection, is rightly the priority, as once the infection number gets big, the death number gets big, even with a low sounding 0.6% mortality rate.
I think ultimately, everyone will asses the risk for them and theirs, and take what they deem to be the most appropriate measures of caution.
People will look at the same data and arrive at different conclusions. But in this case, looking at a per capita, single point in time number of cases per 100,000, is to look at the wrong data, and be left unable to reach any reasonable conclusion from it.
EDIT: Re the action we take against flu, difference there is that we’re able to vaccinate millions of the most vulnerable against flu every year, which we can’t do in this case.
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This was on the news today, were you getting your nails done ?
Bootle Covid-19 hoax-claim salon faces closure by council
The Merseyside salon took down posters saying coronavirus "doesn't exist" only to display them again.
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Their scissors are obviously sharper than they are.This was on the news today, were you getting your nails done ?
Bootle Covid-19 hoax-claim salon faces closure by council
The Merseyside salon took down posters saying coronavirus "doesn't exist" only to display them again.
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See that's the thing.
Throw everything as a statistic and you make it sound really scary. When you convert these statistics into real life numbers then they kinda lose their impact.
Like the Liverpool one was something like 0.035% of the city. That's practically nothing. Yet call it a x% increase in cases and it sounds like we are plagued.
It's all a little misleading.
Granted if you say over a 4 week period there is 2 thousand a day then that's where you have to keep an eye on things, not really individual days.
Compare that to hospital cases for the virus and then you get a good idea of how bad the numbers really are. Like if you say 2k test positive and 200 are admitted a day then that is serious.
To what extent can we stop worrying about lockdowns and start using common sense? Don't go near anyone who is at risk and stay at home a little bit more than you would normally and that may help things.
So far we have had pretty major death rise for 1 day, other than that whilst the testing positive numbers are alarming the death rate is thankfully staying pretty low.
But the proof will sadly be in the 2 week from now pudding.
Fingers crossed.
roydo
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There was a piece I read earlier that put some context into this.
Firstly, way more testing, and more importantly, community testing. No stastically relevant hospital increases. Age profile night and day from the peak, and the case count at peak was mainly hospital based tests.
So take more care, dont be a bell, and SD. Gives us a fighting chance.
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I still think what people don't take into account with these figures were the ones from march and April.
2k across the country is seen as drastic yet for thousands of deaths to occur over 6 weeks effectively then that infected rate must have been incredible. We will never know that because they weren't testing people , being a world class run country and all that.
It just strikes me reading how it's being portrayed now that its extreme measures to minor information. Yet whilst we hear these extreme measures , they don't balance out with real life. You can't be in a group of 7 socially distanced wearing masks but you can be in a shop/work/train with more people?
That's where common sense should be. If my nan hadn't passed is understand I would have not seen her at all these past 6 months. That's common sense on my front because she would have been at risk. But acting like Liverpool for example is suddenly going to drop dead within s few weeks with positive tests?
Just extreme measures and scary statistics without any inclusion for adults using common sense.
roydo
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Using the data and knowledge they now have, and applying that to March/April, the 6000 infections, (cant recall if daily or weekly, it matters not), would have been 100,000.
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