Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Catfish Blues]

Any other Preston blues a little peeved at being put in to lock down despite the 'spike' being less than 50 cases in a week.
According to stats from Preston Hospital, there were just 3 people admitted to hospital during that week and zero deaths. That hardly warrants a lockdown.

Preston's been knocking on the door in terms of case per capita for a couple of weeks now and is on a par with Pendle.

It's pretty much common knowledge that if Preston was 15 miles east of where it is, then it would almost certainly have been included as an area under restrictions a week or two earlier. To be honest, it was just a matter of time ( We're South'ish of Preston, so not affected )

It’s like the elephant in the room isn’t it

The press try to delicately skate around it, every time a new area has their restrictions tightened.

Cases are spread fairly evenly, mainly in deprived areas, some mainly Asian areas, otgers not, so, because of the deprivation, there's a fair chance that Asian folk are disproportionally affected, but it's not as simple as you might think.

However, I'm pretty sure Blackpool's the worst area of Lancashire for deprivation, and it doesn't seem to be doing too bad at the moment, so there's a correlation about ethnicity and local lockdown, though plainly correlation doesn't necessarily equate to cause, and jumping from cause, to blame, is an even bigger jump to make.

 

[Neiler]

I don’t understand why sewage titers haven’t become more common reporting metric - they are comparatively “real time” and seem to be good at reflecting the overall population without an extensive testing infrastructure.

I read something the other day on the WHO not prepared to standover the accuracy of Covid in wastewater and Sewerage or rather more research required. https://hselibrary.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Evidence-Summary-COVID-19-Open-Water.pdf

Logically the questions I’d have would be, how can you track it back to see if samples have been contaminated or cross contaminated then it’s hard to link the data to individuals, clusters, households, populations accurately or prove samples haven’t been compromised somehow. Also thinking of the varient in sewerage system through out the world I.e. western vs developing world. That said I don’t know much on sewerage or systems.

Would it be accurate enough for modelling, does seem though that data could be put to work.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I don’t understand why sewage titers haven’t become more common reporting metric - they are comparatively “real time” and seem to be good at reflecting the overall population without an extensive testing infrastructure.

In countries where rainfall is constant, or even better, non-existent at this time of year, getting standardised results is probably relatively easy

But in England, it'll be trickier. We all pretty much crap the same amount each day, but if it's dry for a few days, concentrations of sewage will be higher than if it's pissed it down.

So, rather than just test how much virus was in a sample, you'd have to adjust for how much faecal matter is in your sample as well ( there's a phrase I never thought I'd use on GOT ! ).

Even then, if it's lashed it down than your sh-one-t will tend to get to the sewage works quicker, so your dump will be fresher, and will likely have more virus in it ( ? ) but it'll also scour the walls of the sewer and bring down some old crusties as well.

Apologies to anyone who's eating.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I should add ...

My brother in law used to work in the wastewater field ( they don't like to call it sewage ), and he spent a fair amount of time, on and off, working in Egypt. At the time, they sampled their sewage regularly for the polio virus to get notice of any flare ups.

They could identify trends of the virus at wastewater plants, but they couldn't directly compare the results from one plant to another, because there were too many variables. But they could compare them indirectly based on historic measures of polio infections in different areas.

So, for example, if they got a reading of 100 from plant A, they knew that, looking at historical records, that might equate to 200 infections per capita

But a reading of 100 at plant B might equate to 50 infections per capita. The main variables which affected the readings were the average distance from flush to plant, and the layout and size of the sewers themselves.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It’s like the elephant in the room isn’t it

The press try to delicately skate around it, every time a new area has their restrictions tightened.

You won't see any Muslims not doing 100 mile bike rides or eating pasties.

 

[xena]

It’s like the elephant in the room isn’t it

The press try to delicately skate around it, every time a new area has their restrictions tightened.

Not many muslims in wigan though .

 

[The binman chronicles]

This vaccine will be here quite quickly now, they reckon. They’re not doing human trials.

They’re testing it on kopites instead.

Unfortunately that vaccine has been proven to have serious side effects that have sent the people who took part in the trial crazy. Amongst others they were noted talking in noncoherent sentences, firing fireworks at buildings, pushing over walls, all with an increased violence level. So it will be a good few more months yet while they refine it.

Wait! Just getting in fresh news now that the vaccine is back on as the nurse has confirmed they were all like this before they had the vaccine!

 

[Catfish Blues]

Not many muslims in wigan though .

Poor example to make a point that mate.

Wigan's under restrictions because it's part of Greater Manchester, not because of it's infection rate, which is currently less than the national average.

 

[Blues Harp]

Poor example to make a point that mate.

Wigan's under restrictions because it's part of Greater Manchester, not because of it's infection rate, which is currently less than the national average.

indeed...white wools.... lol lol

 

[peteblue]

This is ridiculous. I fear you are saying this because of your disdain for @peteblue

Just to disagree. Normally myself and Pete don't see eye to eye on a lot but on Gates seemingly we do.

He and his wife setup a foundation which does actually do a lot for charity. It's all open book you can look up who they give money too.

They also invest in companies who do research and worldwide activities again open book.

Sure some companies are a head scratcher but to say he is not on the level is naïve.

Do you actually know anything about his foundation? or are you happy to fall in line with the Bill Gates evil because he rich crowd.

Well said......

 

[Blues Harp]

Well said......

How much money did the companies that you "owned" give to people from your home city?...

 

[Prevenger17]

Was in a pub for the first time since March just there, now on the way back home to Kildare for another lockdown. Glad for the bit of a pint

 

[LinekersLegs]

In countries where rainfall is constant, or even better, non-existent at this time of year, getting standardised results is probably relatively easy

But in England, it'll be trickier. We all pretty much crap the same amount each day, but if it's dry for a few days, concentrations of sewage will be higher than if it's pissed it down.

So, rather than just test how much virus was in a sample, you'd have to adjust for how much faecal matter is in your sample as well ( there's a phrase I never thought I'd use on GOT ! ).

Even then, if it's lashed it down than your sh-one-t will tend to get to the sewage works quicker, so your dump will be fresher, and will likely have more virus in it ( ? ) but it'll also scour the walls of the sewer and bring down some old crusties as well.

Apologies to anyone who's eating.

Yeah I hadn’t factored in the rainfall issue - lot easier to implement a monitoring system in California than Ireland!

 

[LinekersLegs]

Interesting thread

 

[Tea_drinker]

I've just heard the R is 5.75. Panic.
Unfortunately I dont have some random graph from the internet to prove it cos I'm off to a techno party near an old folks home in Billinge.