Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Liverpool shopping update. Ventured into town for the first time in 5 months.

Smyths - staff no mask / no challenge
(Only shop edge lane with staff masks -hm)

Primark- staff no masks / no challenge
Poundland thing- no mask / no challenge
Tesco old swan - no mask / no challenge
Superdrug - no mask / no challenge

Seems everywhere I go the staff are mostly not wearing masks in shops.

I did wear a mask in town itself for my wife's piece of mind / mass gatherings as per regulations tell me to. However I did spot people in most shops except smyths not wearing a mask also.

So again, flawed logic if the staff aren't wearing them.
In contrast in France, Intermarche supermarket in our nearby town, staff 100% and customers 100% masks. Masques obligatoire. Pas de masque, pas d'entrée !
No mask, no entry.
 
In contrast in France, Intermarche supermarket in our nearby town, staff 100% and customers 100% masks. Masques obligatoire. Pas de masque, pas d'entrée !
No mask, no entry.
I fully agree.

Those are the rules and there should be no exception. What's the point in having the rules if they aren't to be enforced, no matter how inconvenient they are for your shopping trip for example?

Should have been mandatory on day one of lockdown.
 
All settings - 74 is the announced total, down 46 on yesterday but up 13 on last Saturday, leaving the 7 day rolling average at an even 65

Hospital - 6 is the announced total, down 7 on yesterday and 19 down on last Saturday. Of this just 4 were in English hospitals, down 5 on yesterday and down 19 on last week with all 4 occurring in the past 10 days and it brings the 7 day rolling average down to an even 12
 
Weekly figures, from

% calculations, and therefore mistakes, are my own

All figures are UK Wide. The dates are different for different measures because of the way the data is collected and/or calculated. The finer grained data is on the website if anyone's interested in their own geographic area.

New Cases 7 day daily average :-

29th July : 753.3
22nd July : 659.3

Up 14.3%

Number of Tests 7 day daily average

29th July : 153,259
22nd July : 138,100

Up 11%

Hospital admissions

29nd July : 139
22nd July : 183

Down 24%

However, looking at the data this week compared to last week, it's apparent that the more recent data lags, so the data from the 22nd is likely to be accurate, but the data from the 29th looks like it could be an underestimate.

Revisiting last weeks figures, which were 112 and 163, now gives 183 and 163, so instead of what I thought was a drop in admissions from the 15th to the 22nd of 31%, we actually
had an increase of 12%

Patients in hospital

29th July : 1251
22nd July : 1637

Down 23.6%

Unlike the admissions data, revisiting the data from the week before gave pretty much the same answer, so there's no obvious caveat to apply here.

Ventilated patients

30th July : 84
16th July : 110

Down 23.6%


Deaths : 7 day daily average

The seven day average is no longer being plotted, so the numbers are mine

28th July : 65.1
21st July : 64.3

No significant change

Overall, cases are up, but so is testing, but not quite enough to cover the increase in cases. More worryingly, the latest ONS survey showed cases increasing across the country, so you can see where Whitty's common from when he says we're at the limit of what we can do.

In macro terms, it's a bit early to worry about hospital admissions ( though plainly at an individual level, it's bloody worrying ). Could probably do with revisiting those numbers to see how much of a lag there normally is, or whether what I noticed is a one off.

But it's possible, though by no means certain, that increased cases are starting to feed through to increased admissions.

On the bright side, I had a lovely pint sat outside one of our locals the other day !
 
The school issue is a real poser for me. It doesnt affect me personally, but even so, I just cannot see a way to get them open in anything resembling normal. The best I can come up with is some sort of staggered classes, over a 2 week period, with half the kids going in one day, the other lot on the next, and so on.

Trouble with that though is would the teachers buy it? And thats before you get to the child care on a day on/day off situation.
That for me is the big incoming issue.

I’ve 2 lads, one will be in 2 days per week, either Mon/Tue or Thur/Fri but yet to be confirmed.

The other lad will be 1 week in school and one week home lessons.

I can be largely home based but how the hell are most working parents meant to cope with limited schooling and holding down their job??
 
It’s completely pointless for customers to wear masks but not the staff.

No mate, it's not pointless.

I think staff on the shop floor who aren't behind a perspex screen should be wearing a mask, partly for health reasons, but also to set a standard for their customers to follow.

But, to take Morrisona as an example, there's very roughly, about 200 staff per store, and again, very roughly , each store gets about 3000 customers per day.

In reality, a lot of those staff won't be customer facing, so it'll likely be between 100 and 150 per store.

Simple maths says if all customers wear masks, that's roughly 95% of the people who are in the store each day. Plainly the staff are in the store longer than the customers, but even so, based on 8 hour shifts and half hour shops, if customers wear masks and staff don't, then you're still making a difference by putting on your mask to do your weekly shop. But it would be better if everyone, including staff who weren't behind a screen or visor, wore masks.
 
Out on the ale tomorrow with the boys, one being a male stripper and one of the others who's been out more during the pandemic than they did when things were normal - I'll be counting my blessings if I still have a sense of smell in a week or so's time.
 
No mate, it's not pointless.

I think staff on the shop floor who aren't behind a perspex screen should be wearing a mask, partly for health reasons, but also to set a standard for their customers to follow.

But, to take Morrisona as an example, there's very roughly, about 200 staff per store, and again, very roughly , each store gets about 3000 customers per day.

In reality, a lot of those staff won't be customer facing, so it'll likely be between 100 and 150 per store.

Simple maths says if all customers wear masks, that's roughly 95% of the people who are in the store each day. Plainly the staff are in the store longer than the customers, but even so, based on 8 hour shifts and half hour shops, if customers wear masks and staff don't, then you're still making a difference by putting on your mask to do your weekly shop. But it would be better if everyone, including staff who weren't behind a screen or visor, wore masks.
You also don't need universal mask wearing to get to suppression - just because someone else is refusing to wear one doesn't mean that it still doesn't make a difference if you do.


And from a selfish perspective I still prefer my chances of avoiding the disease if I'm wearing a mask when someone infected without one sneezes near me - that potential risk reduction far minimizes the discomfort, much like seat belts really.
 
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