Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests

Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in antibody levels three months after infection

www.theguardian.com

Prof Jonathan Heeney, a virologist at the University of Cambridge, said the study confirmed a growing body of evidence that immunity to Covid-19 is short-lived. “Most importantly, it puts another nail in the coffin of the dangerous concept of herd immunity,” he said.

“I cannot underscore how important it is that the public understands that getting infected by this virus is not a good thing. Some of the public, especially the youth, have become somewhat cavalier about getting infected, thinking that they would contribute to herd immunity. Not only will they place themselves at risk, and others, by getting infected, and losing immunity, they may even put themselves at greater risk of more severe lung disease if they get infected again in the years to come.”

I do hate how these guys sometimes offer no actual solutions and just deliver bad news. If immunity doesn’t last and potential vaccines may not actually be that effective as the article postulates then the solution is what exactly?

The wife's positive antibody test was probably over three months after she had it.

 

[roydo]

The wife's positive antibody test was probably over three months after she had it.

And you didnt catch it from her?

 

[Billy Dean]

Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests

Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in antibody levels three months after infection

www.theguardian.com

Prof Jonathan Heeney, a virologist at the University of Cambridge, said the study confirmed a growing body of evidence that immunity to Covid-19 is short-lived. “Most importantly, it puts another nail in the coffin of the dangerous concept of herd immunity,” he said.

“I cannot underscore how important it is that the public understands that getting infected by this virus is not a good thing. Some of the public, especially the youth, have become somewhat cavalier about getting infected, thinking that they would contribute to herd immunity. Not only will they place themselves at risk, and others, by getting infected, and losing immunity, they may even put themselves at greater risk of more severe lung disease if they get infected again in the years to come.”

I do hate how these guys sometimes offer no actual solutions and just deliver bad news. If immunity doesn’t last and potential vaccines may not actually be that effective as the article postulates then the solution is what exactly?

And there's a bit of speculation in there too which is not really helpful.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And you didnt catch it from her?

No idea mate.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests

Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in antibody levels three months after infection

www.theguardian.com

Prof Jonathan Heeney, a virologist at the University of Cambridge, said the study confirmed a growing body of evidence that immunity to Covid-19 is short-lived. “Most importantly, it puts another nail in the coffin of the dangerous concept of herd immunity,” he said.

“I cannot underscore how important it is that the public understands that getting infected by this virus is not a good thing. Some of the public, especially the youth, have become somewhat cavalier about getting infected, thinking that they would contribute to herd immunity. Not only will they place themselves at risk, and others, by getting infected, and losing immunity, they may even put themselves at greater risk of more severe lung disease if they get infected again in the years to come.”

I do hate how these guys sometimes offer no actual solutions and just deliver bad news. If immunity doesn’t last and potential vaccines may not actually be that effective as the article postulates then the solution is what exactly?

It's important to read the whole article though ...

Shattock said the study was important and indicated that neutralising antibodies rapidly wane. “This certainly suggests that we cannot be confident natural infection will be protective for a significant proportion of individuals, nor certain of the duration of any protection.”

He added: “We would however expect that re-infection would be less severe for any individual as they will still retain immune memory allowing them to more rapidly respond. Nevertheless they could still be a source of onward transmission.

“It does indicate that vaccines need to do better than natural infection, providing consistent responses in the majority of individuals and sustained levels of protective antibodies. Ultimately this may require the use of annual boosting immunisations, particularly for the most vulnerable. This could be delivered alongside annual influenza immunisations.”

So a vaccine may well need to be better at producing long lasting antibodies, and need topping up every year ( so it could be done like an annual flu vaccine ) and ...

If you've been infected, then, even though your antibody levels may well drop off, any re-infections are likely to be less severe because your immune system could well have a memory of the original infection.

Basically, until people start to get re-infected, no-one really knows, and, if their immune system remembers COVID, and deals with it easily enough, those people might not even know they're reinfected.

TL;DR ?

No-one knows, and we likely won't know for a year or so.

 

[Neiler]

Coronavirus Disease Exposure and Spread from Nightclubs, South Korea

Coronavirus Disease Exposure and Spread from Nightclubs, Seoul, South Korea

wwwnc.cdc.gov

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I imagine most asymptomatic folk are healthy younger folk - maybe after going somewhere high risk like a bar/nightclub there should be mandatory swab testing say 5 days after to try catch it out quicker.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

With Johnson refusing to join the EU vaccine scheme - makes me think they are quietly confident of one of our trials working.

That or another balls up decision!

 

[Prevenger17]

Are Merica and Brazil having some sort of Thunderdome Covid fight?

Two countries enter, nobody leaves

 

[riddick]

It's important to read the whole article though ...



So a vaccine may well need to be better at producing long lasting antibodies, and need topping up every year ( so it could be done like an annual flu vaccine ) and ...

If you've been infected, then, even though your antibody levels may well drop off, any re-infections are likely to be less severe because your immune system could well have a memory of the original infection.

Basically, until people start to get re-infected, no-one really knows, and, if their immune system remembers COVID, and deals with it easily enough, those people might not even know they're reinfected.

TL;DR ?

No-one knows, and we likely won't know for a year or so.

Isn't the crux of that there hasn't been almost anyone getting infected a second time?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Are Merica and Brazil having some sort of Thunderdome Covid fight?

Was hoping to be in a competition wit S Korea or Germany on testing, sadly not

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Long-term strategies to control COVID-19 pandemic must treat health and economy as equally important

Strategies for the safe reopening of low and middle-income countries (LMICs) from months of strict social distancing in response to the ongoing COVID-19

www.cam.ac.uk

 

[Bruce Wayne]

With this as another obvious factor

COVID-19 demonstrates why wealth matters

While COVID-19 has impacted all individuals, the impact has not been equal. In a new national Socioeconomic Impact of COVID-19 survey, the Social Policy Institute at Washington University in St. Louis found that liquid assets increased the likelihood that an individual could practice social...

source.wustl.edu

 

[zzr45]

Coronavirus: Mathon farm workers isolating after 73 cases

Up to 200 vegetable pickers and packers will remain on the farm in Herefordshire while isolating.

www.bbc.co.uk

Remember when they tried to con people into the fields? Good job they didn’t.