Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Hospital figures - 15 the announced total for the day, 24 down on yesterday and 4 down on last Sunday. All 15 were in English hospitals, 23 down on yesterday and 3 down on last week with all coming in the past 10 days.
 
All settings - 21 the announced figure, down 127 from yesterday and 1 down from last Sunday. 7 day rolling average falls slightly to 85.57 with the hospital average falling to 28.86. Bear in mind that Sunday is one of two lag days, tomorrow the other
 
Let me put a more fundamental question back to you: do you believe its the right of any enterprise to be allowed to place the public at risk and their own workers? That's what's happening here...and they're receiving subsidies to do so.

Businesses have to bend to doing what's best for the whole of the society they exist within. That's what they shoud have to do, but, of course, we have a government who encourages them to do the opposite. And they take advanatage of that.

I have zero sympathy or empathy with these sectors...not in a pandemic I dont. If it's a choice between keeping less people infected and seeing their businesses opening, I'm going with the former, with bells on.

Doesn’t this fall on the government and not the industry as a whole or the individual businesses that comprise it? Businesses have been given the green light to open- are you saying they should take a moral stance and remain closed, which without financial aid would probably result in permanent closure and loss of employment for many?

To directly answer your question; of course I don’t think any business should operate when there’s a chance to put the staff or customers at harm. But that question is too open and broad. I know this isn’t what you’re saying, but that question could be interpreted and applied to so many different places of work. For example, when I was 11 I had a minor crash at a go kart circuit. There were safeguards in place to protect people as best they can, but someone bumped into me and that was that. Should all go karting establishments be closed because there will always be a small risk to the public no matter how much safe guarding takes place? Look at Alton towers- admittedly it’s not often but when accidents occur at places like this closure never appears to be truly on the cards.

Now of course this is slightly different as places which previously would have basically zero risk to the staff or public now have extra risk due to coronavirus, I concede that and accept it completely. Also you’re not only taking the risk onto yourself, it’s the possibility to harm others which is different from the examples I gave. But my original point was and is that if there is no financial support for these businesses to remain closed, what course of action do you suggest they take? What course of action should each individual member of staff take?

I already partly know your answer as I’ve seen it written before, loss of earnings can not compare with loss of life. I mean, I can’t really argue with that can I? I honestly just don’t think these businesses have been left with any choice if they wish to survive.
 

Prof Jonathan Heeney, a virologist at the University of Cambridge, said the study confirmed a growing body of evidence that immunity to Covid-19 is short-lived. “Most importantly, it puts another nail in the coffin of the dangerous concept of herd immunity,” he said.

“I cannot underscore how important it is that the public understands that getting infected by this virus is not a good thing. Some of the public, especially the youth, have become somewhat cavalier about getting infected, thinking that they would contribute to herd immunity. Not only will they place themselves at risk, and others, by getting infected, and losing immunity, they may even put themselves at greater risk of more severe lung disease if they get infected again in the years to come.”

I do hate how these guys sometimes offer no actual solutions and just deliver bad news. If immunity doesn’t last and potential vaccines may not actually be that effective as the article postulates then the solution is what exactly?
 

Prof Jonathan Heeney, a virologist at the University of Cambridge, said the study confirmed a growing body of evidence that immunity to Covid-19 is short-lived. “Most importantly, it puts another nail in the coffin of the dangerous concept of herd immunity,” he said.

“I cannot underscore how important it is that the public understands that getting infected by this virus is not a good thing. Some of the public, especially the youth, have become somewhat cavalier about getting infected, thinking that they would contribute to herd immunity. Not only will they place themselves at risk, and others, by getting infected, and losing immunity, they may even put themselves at greater risk of more severe lung disease if they get infected again in the years to come.”

I do hate how these guys sometimes offer no actual solutions and just deliver bad news. If immunity doesn’t last and potential vaccines may not actually be that effective as the article postulates then the solution is what exactly?

Vaccines every 6 months I imagine
 
Maybe no vaccines for healthy under 25's and leave it to run out of available hosts until it dies out?

I havnt a clue mate. Like, it seems that this thing is delivering pretty low rates of infection as we are, all the predictions of second waves after VE day, easing of lock down, etc, actually, hasnt happened.

So maybe, its in retreat. I doubt that, but if we carefully get back to "normal", keep social distancing for as long as we need to, and basically dont be bell ends, perhaps it will eat itself.

Personally, I am not changing a thing that I have been doing since lock down started. But I am fortunate that I am able to do that.
 
As a vulnerable oldie with lung problems and diabetes, I actually went out today and enjoyed the first date with Mrs MB since March. Had a meal and a drink (outside as it was a lovely day). Social distancing seemed to work, and I never felt uncomfortable. Understand the concerns of folk who are uncertain about what they should do as this excuse for a government only has one objective in mind....get..brexit..done. As @roydo said..^^^
 
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