davek
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Anything that puts people off going out and spending cash on tat is being avoided...even if it contributes to more deaths.
This is pure evil. It defines the Tory Party.
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This is pure evil. It defines the Tory Party.
orchard
Player Valuation: £60m
It's short term poop again, and it'll backfire, again.
The few that don't care will go, keep the disease moving through the population, places will have to close with no safety net. The sensible will avoid as minimum precautions aren't being taken, business will suffer.
Revealed: 20 areas of England at most risk of coronavirus resurgence
Bradford, Sheffield and Kirklees are among areas of concern as army is deployed for hotspot mobile tests
This list seems like Leave voting central. Who'd have thought?
The thing is Dave, you're positioning yourself as the ultimate arbiter of taste, which I'd hope you would understand is ridiculous. Lots of people buy things that I wouldn't personally touch in a month of Sundays, but it's frankly none of my business what they do with their money, and I wouldn't dream of mandating that people only buy things I personally deem acceptable. I suspect that's ultimately why you follow socialism so intently, because you believe you know what's best for everyone's life, and socialism is the only way that you can force them to follow your doctrine.
orchard
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Sure?
I can be as snobbish and condescending as the next person, but life is far too short to want to change the scruffs
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I dont care what sellers sell or buyers buy - in normal times. But these quite obvioulsy are extraordinary times, and those people who purvey and consume tat are placing other people's lives in danger (and their own) by entering (and sometimes staying for hours, in the case of pubs and restaurants) enclosed spaces - and that is an enviroment for the incubation of this virus.
What they sell / buy are non-essential. As if people cant cook a meal for themselves or get a drink in and make do with that. The socialising part is surely destroyed (if you have a few brain cells, at least) when you know there is a deadly virus still in circulation.
I have nothing but contempt for this "hospitality" industry. Not when there are 2.5 million people who are reliant on others behaving responsibly if there to have even a possibility of just taking a walk about for an hour outside of their own homes.
As @davek says it is the body’s own immune response going into overdrive (cytokine storm), rather than damage done directly by the virus itself, that appears to cause the most fatalities.
On the positive news side the drug dexamethasone, which suppresses the immune system, appears to help.
Coronavirus: What is dexamethasone and how does it work? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53077879
Deckard2049
Player Valuation: £15m
Correct me if I’m wrong but if businesses are given the green light to open and they refuse to do so arguing that it is still unsafe, is there any more financial support coming their way? If not then surely they are being given the choice of either open or close for good- it’s obvious what anyone will choose in that position isn’t it?
Let’s say someone works in that field- what is your actual suggestion or solution? Should these businesses remain closed indefinitely and should all staff simply just look for other work or apply for benefits? Would you tell a bartender or waitress “go on strike”?
If financial aid is still available (I don’t know as I don’t work in this sector) then I probably lean more towards your side that it’s unnecessary to open up right now. But if it’s not, then I don’t really see what can be done.
I guess my point is I can’t have “contempt” for an industry the way you do- the industry wants to survive and has been given the green light to try. No-one is forced to go out for a meal or go to the pub. Unless I’ve misread you and it’s contempt for the punters ... or maybe it’s both. Contempt all around!
It is a depressing that a national scheme to do this comparatively simple surveillance hasn’t been put in place.
davek
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Let me put a more fundamental question back to you: do you believe its the right of any enterprise to be allowed to place the public at risk and their own workers? That's what's happening here...and they're receiving subsidies to do so.
Businesses have to bend to doing what's best for the whole of the society they exist within. That's what they shoud have to do, but, of course, we have a government who encourages them to do the opposite. And they take advanatage of that.
I have zero sympathy or empathy with these sectors...not in a pandemic I dont. If it's a choice between keeping less people infected and seeing their businesses opening, I'm going with the former, with bells on.
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