Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[TowerToffee]

Pubs should have been padlocked; ditto restaurants and other Covid19 incubators.

Asking a gang of kids (which is what adult Britons are after 40 years of neo-liberalism and 'the consumer revolution') to behave responsibly is like putting a bunch of banana's in front of a load of chimps and telling them they should wait until they're hungry to eat them.

This chimp would appear to prefer the 'absinthe' to a banana

 

[Walken]

The Lonsdales are a nice touch

 

[Barnfred 55]

but the government has failed yet again to make it reasonably safe.

Why exactly? What have they introduced that isn't reasonably safe?

What would you even call reasonably safe?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I can sympathise, as doing something vaguely resembling normal was just really nice, but I do wonder about the messaging. It's a fine line between scaring people from doing anything, and encouraging recklessness. To be honest, I'd have thought pubs would be the last places you could safely open, if only because they not only encourage less sensible behaviour than might ordinarily be the case, and also place strain on the emergency services. Is it really worth it? And I fully understand that there are pubs, such as probably Pete's, that are hubs of their community and don't suffer from the challenges of city centre pubs, but can you say some pubs can open and some can't?

I think it's fair to say that the government have now reached a position whereby they are giving as much, if not more weight to the economic aspect of this crisis than the health one. Is this the right time to do it? That's more than my pay scale has ever been to answer that question with any confidence or authority. Personally I'd have preferred the number of new infections to be a lot lower and also to have the test and trace system more established before opening up so much. But at the same time if the travel and tourism side of our economy was to be saved then July 4th was probably the latest date at which restrictions could be relaxed.

There is no way that the economy could be opened up in a risk free environment, not until a workable vaccine is available, and had we left it until then this countries economy would be absolutely devastated. It's going to be hard enough to recover as it is. So people HAVE to accept that there is going to be an element of risk in opening up, but that risk can be seriously mitigated by behaving responsibly and doing as the government say. There will always be the minority that will flout those rules, and they will have done so anyway. But despite the media trying to amplify the extent of these exceptions, yesterdays actions prove that they are the minority and that the majority if people in this country are still taking this pandemic seriously and are behaving responsibly.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I know a few Landlords who basically said that if behaviour deteriorated and the rules they have put in place ignored then they would call time and just close the place. Landlords have a duty of care both to their staff and their customers and no one would want to be, or be seen as, the cause of an outbreak. As you say, village type pubs will be no problem as they were never a problem before either. Town and City pubs need a close eye on them but that’s what the Police and Licensing Officers will be doing. The expected mayhem for Saturday didn’t appear to happen, which was a good start. Obviously if people get too drunk then distancing will go out of the window, but even if the pubs remained closed the people who do this would just get drunk in parks or ‘block parties’. At least in the pub there is a degree of control.....

Exactly.

 

[paultheblue]

FFS, did you HAVE to go on a pubcrawl?

I expect it's something whereby you think you look like a proper lad and a right laff. You dont.

Give the lad a break Dave he was out there on the front line checking places out for all our benefits and you sound off at him.
I wouldn't be surprised if he stays at home today and who would blame him.

 

[arminisgod]

FFS, did you HAVE to go on a pubcrawl?

I expect it's something whereby you think you look like a proper lad and a right laff. You dont.

Bore off. I went in 3 pubs. I went in 3 as difc people in the village go in them

 

[Zezti]

 

[davek]

Even though the majority of people did act responsibly and have done throughout this pandemic.

What were they asked to do exactly? There was nowhere open. And the lockdown was nowhere near as comprehensive as in Spain, Italy and France. People were still milling about and doing what they wanted - going into shops, getting their ale and pasties in. Hardly the Gulag Archipelago was it?

 

[davek]

Bore off. I went in 3 pubs. I went in 3 as difc people in the village go in them

WTF would you want to go in 3 ale houses for?

If you're that deperate for a pint or two, have them and get off home.

These are not normal times.

 

[orchard]

Why exactly? What have they introduced that isn't reasonably safe?

What would you even call reasonably safe?

By essentially only providing guidelines.

Well, as the government's made an arse of pretty much the whole thing, intentionally or not, i wouldn't expect it to be as safe as say New Zealand, that's what I mean by reasonably safe.

 

[Charro]

What were they asked to do exactly? There was nowhere open. And the lockdown was nowhere near as comprehensive as in Spain, Italy and France. People were still milling about and doing what they wanted - going into shops, getting their ale and pasties in. Hardly the Gulag Archipelago was it?

Sorry, was nowhere open, or did people continue to get their ale and pasties?

Which one is it?

People have acted responsibly. The evidence is in the numbers.

Do you actually take part in real life outside of the internet?

 

[Tea_drinker]

Pubs around picton and wavertree doing fabulous business this lunchtime. Just terrific to see so many older gents out enjoying a few ales.

 

[davek]

Sorry, was nowhere open, or did people continue to get their ale and pasties?

Which one is it?

People have acted responsibly. The evidence is in the numbers.

Do you actually take part in real life outside of the internet?

There was nowhere open to stay like a pub or restaurant; only supermarkets and a couple of other shops.

People got out and about for however much they wanted and where they wanted by and large.

Even before the lockdown officially ended there was a complete breakdown of discipline, as any of those photos of the beaches underline.

We should have been in the type of lockdown that the French, Spanish and Italians were forced to endure. The UK lockdown was a 'kin cakewalk.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Why would I bother making up a lie about where my single friends in their 20’s live you mutant.

It's the internet in a forum, sub one at that, in politics, it's like leaving a Conservative club and asking why your shirt on back has be sold. Expect it to be bull poop and expect lots of trolling.

For once I agree with you

Talking of latter the self imposed sophist kind always ready bore you into submission...