Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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davek said:
I find your hostility to your *adopted* country strange. I have no idea what that's all about and I wont pry.

However, the ground you wish to challenge them on is pretty barren for you. You come from a country which is a covid19 disater zone; the Czech Republic is, with 350 deaths, one of the least troubled nations by the virus.
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You eat as many Christmas carps as I have and you'd be hostile as well. Plus, the bloke from the department of business I had a 1pm with is running unfashionably late. Lazy swines. Pubs are open y'see. No good comes from it. Put down your rizek Jan.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I'll be honest there is so much assumption, half truth and conflation of a number of different issues within this (understandable as you're not that close it and wouldn't know accurately) it's hard to answer without giving you an essay.

Capacity doesn't exist within local structures, so you can manage outbreak and low level testing 'in house' comfortably, but not necessarily mass testing because you need testers, lab capacity, admin function to deliver it. Deloitte have have a hand in various bits of the logistics part of the Government response as well as elements of testing - including coordination of testing centres that are producing Pillar 2 data. As I mentioned regarding the data sharing they don't have the same obligations as a private company as public Sector organisations might because in emergencies they aren't privy to the same legislation as those that fall under the Civil Contingencies Act.

You can read more about that here:
www.gov.uk

Data protection and sharing guidance for emergency planners and responders

To be used in conjunction with the non-statutory Emergency Response and Recovery and statutory Emergency Preparedness guidance.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

If Deloitte were passing the data to the NHS, there would be no reason that wouldn't get to PHE and locally to DPH, but it hasn't. Locally that information hasn't been available, as I've been saying in this thread for a few months.

Lots of data in subject to confidentiality so cannot be shared where it is available, but it has only really been available for a few days (normally where you find a aggressive denial of something from MHCLG one day, the information will likely have been received the day before!).

But fundamentally, as per the email response I shared yesterday from Nadine Dories there is no requirement for Deloitte to share their information with PHE or Local Authorities.

Notwithstanding that, where data is available it's not very good, as I've also been saying for months. You can have a scenario, as has been the case across the North West, where at the same site where you have P1 & P2 testing, you can get the P1 data but not the P2.

Edit: if you need to quickly scale something up to hit a national target of let's say 100,000 tests, which you can hold up as a memorable moment in your response to Covid-19 and receive positive headlines and praise for, does it matter if you actually dont do much with that data?
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You've obviously put a lot of thought into that reply for which I thank you.

I confess I am completely in the dark as regards the various nuances of the NHS, PHE, DPH and indeed the DPH locally, how they all interact with each other and who is responsible for delivering what aspect of health care. Nor am I familiar with the workings of the various departments of the civil service and local government generally. As somebody who spent his whole career in the private sector, my only dealings with any of these organisations are as an end user. On the whole, my experiences have been far from satisfactory, finding them to be overly bureaucratic, inflexible, and generally lacking any sort of urgency or sense of customer service.

Throughout my career I have relied on detail, logic and emotions on which to base my decision making. I crave detail, then try and make sense of it. If I can't I ask questions and continue to do so until I get the answers that enable me to make sense. As regards this pandemic, the government is piss poor at providing detail, which is why I end up asking people like you to help provide the detail that the government doesn't. I know it makes me a pain in the arse at times and I apologise for that. Also, I've said this before but I'm not a political person, I just have very little interest in them. What I am interested in is the truth and right and wrong.

The answers you've given me don't make sense to me and nor do they answer the specific questions I asked. My opinion on this hasn't changed, in that the information from the external testing company, Deloitte, has been provided to somebody within the government health network, as has the test results. We know that from the daily information releases. But there is somehow a delay within that network from the information being provided to other departments, quite possibly due to data protection restrictions.

On top of that there is a distinct lack of leadership and management being shown by the politicians which is allowing this problem to exist.
 
Megatron said:
It looks like past new cases may have been double counted in some areas, it’s a little confusing but it’s one of those things
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Just seen it mate. Basically it's people like doctors and health care workers who get tested regularly. Where they have tested positive more than once, the second or subsequent results have now been removed, so basically they have only been counted once.

That makes sense and also explains the high numbers.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Just seen it mate. Basically it's people like doctors and health care workers who get tested regularly. Where they have tested positive more than once, the second or subsequent results have now been removed, so basically they have only been counted once.

That makes sense and also explains the high numbers.
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Just seen the new data for North Somerset, and the addition of the pillar 2 figures pretty much double the total number of infections. That said, despite being scared out of my wits by the headline in the paper, even now, we are at 3.7 cases (not deaths) per 100,000 of people. And we cant have many more than 150,000 as a population, so the actual deaths will be miniscule.

Eddie Large was one, a very fat bloke in Nailsea early on another.
 
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