Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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My understanding is that PHE and NHS tried to keep testing in house in the early stages of this, probably for the very good reasons you mentioned above. This was great to start with, but as demands for tests grew they didn't have the capacity within their labs, or probably even the test materials, to cope. The only way to deliver the testing capacity required was to contract it out, and the decision to do that should have been made weeks earlier, but the decision wasn't made because the PHE and NHS wanted to maintain control over both the process and the data. I daresay they were also looking for the accuracy as they wanted to find the "perfect" test, which sadly wasn't even out there.

Now I understand you work with the local government, perhaps even within the NHS, so you'll have some idea whether my views above are accurate or way off the mark, but I'll need some concrete evidence if you were to convince me otherwise. And I'm not making any judgments or apportioning blame in any way, just saying how I believe it transpired.

Now Deloitte's involvement may have created legal barriers that needed to be overcome. I don't know. But can you at least confirm that the information in the Times is correct in so far as they only facilitate and arrange the testing, and that the test results themselves are actually sent to somewhere within the NHS hierarchy. Presumably, if the tests are meant to be used in conjunction with any TTI system, then Deloitte will also have to provide the NHS with personal details of all the people they have arranged tests for, including names, contact details and addresses. Can you confirm this too.

We know this information is ending up at Dept of Health, and has been for many weeks, because pillar 2 testing is part of the daily information released by UKGOV.
I'll be honest there is so much assumption, half truth and conflation of a number of different issues within this (understandable as you're not that close it and wouldn't know accurately) it's hard to answer without giving you an essay.

Capacity doesn't exist within local structures, so you can manage outbreak and low level testing 'in house' comfortably, but not necessarily mass testing because you need testers, lab capacity, admin function to deliver it. Deloitte have have a hand in various bits of the logistics part of the Government response as well as elements of testing - including coordination of testing centres that are producing Pillar 2 data. As I mentioned regarding the data sharing they don't have the same obligations as a private company as public Sector organisations might because in emergencies they aren't privy to the same legislation as those that fall under the Civil Contingencies Act.

You can read more about that here:

If Deloitte were passing the data to the NHS, there would be no reason that wouldn't get to PHE and locally to DPH, but it hasn't. Locally that information hasn't been available, as I've been saying in this thread for a few months.

Lots of data in subject to confidentiality so cannot be shared where it is available, but it has only really been available for a few days (normally where you find a aggressive denial of something from MHCLG one day, the information will likely have been received the day before!).

But fundamentally, as per the email response I shared yesterday from Nadine Dories there is no requirement for Deloitte to share their information with PHE or Local Authorities.

Notwithstanding that, where data is available it's not very good, as I've also been saying for months. You can have a scenario, as has been the case across the North West, where at the same site where you have P1 & P2 testing, you can get the P1 data but not the P2.

Edit: if you need to quickly scale something up to hit a national target of let's say 100,000 tests, which you can hold up as a memorable moment in your response to Covid-19 and receive positive headlines and praise for, does it matter if you actually dont do much with that data?
 
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The PHE weekly surveillance report came out earlier, available from


It now contains the Pillar 1 + 2 hotspots as per

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which quite starkly illustrates how quickly Leicester got out of control. Although it's easy to say in retrospect, it also suggests a bit of dithering may well have happened, and a week may have been lost.
 
Very little talk of the limited approved human vaccine in being administered to the Chinese military, one to keep an eye on.


 
The all settings figure finally got published hours after the daily briefing. Reported as 89, down 87 on yesterday and down 60 on last Thursday bringing the 7 day rolling average down to a new low of 109.29

The biggest take from today’s figures is that there was a historical correction on new cases with 30,000 removed, believed to be related to issues with either pillar two testing or double counts on cases
 
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