Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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RAFUH said:
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I heard from someone yesterday who is doing the track and trace that some of a family who tested positive in Phoenix decided it would be a good idea to travel to San Diego to family.

Apparently there were up to 10 who were positive and 5 of them brought it back this way.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
So what are you insinuating here? That the process didn't happen. That Deloitte didn't pass the information on to the NHS? That the test results weren't returned to the NHS? That the test results were returned to Deloitte?

I don't know what you are trying to say/insinuate here. And you haven't answered how Deloitte can be the black hole for test results when they don't even receive the data.
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Each area independently set up its own community testing programme and structures in March - albeit with some national guidance and a indicative pathway. This may have involved one commissioner or it may have included many commissioners. It may also have involved a single provider or many providers. That was largely abandoned in favour of using contracted services and national contracts like the Deloitte contract.

Local structures would be pre built to allow a notification for results as this would be a notifiable disease to PHE and would also be passed to DPH in Local Authorities.

At the point you tender out to private contractors you don't have the same legislation that applies through legislative data sharing in emergencies (or at least some confusion around it) - it's a very common problem if you read any major incident debrief or inquiry.

So if Deloitte don't understand they have to share or the Government don't inform Deloitte they have to share that data - why would it happen?

As I've said to you in the past - if you are rushing to do things, because you were slow to do it at the start, you aren't likely to get it right.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Each area independently set up its own community testing programme and structures in March - albeit with some national guidance and a indicative pathway. This may have involved one commissioner or it may have included many commissioners. It may also have involved a single provider or many providers. That was largely abandoned in favour of using contracted services and national contracts like the Deloitte contract.

Local structures would be pre built to allow a notification for results as this would be a notifiable disease to PHE and would also be passed to DPH in Local Authorities.

At the point you tender out to private contractors you don't have the same legislation that applies through legislative data sharing in emergencies (or at least some confusion around it) - it's a very common problem if you read any major incident debrief or inquiry.

So if Deloitte don't understand they have to share or the Government don't inform Deloitte they have to share that data - why would it happen?

As I've said to you in the past - if you are rushing to do things, because you were slow to do it at the start, you aren't likely to get it right.
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My understanding is that PHE and NHS tried to keep testing in house in the early stages of this, probably for the very good reasons you mentioned above. This was great to start with, but as demands for tests grew they didn't have the capacity within their labs, or probably even the test materials, to cope. The only way to deliver the testing capacity required was to contract it out, and the decision to do that should have been made weeks earlier, but the decision wasn't made because the PHE and NHS wanted to maintain control over both the process and the data. I daresay they were also looking for the accuracy as they wanted to find the "perfect" test, which sadly wasn't even out there.

Now I understand you work with the local government, perhaps even within the NHS, so you'll have some idea whether my views above are accurate or way off the mark, but I'll need some concrete evidence if you were to convince me otherwise. And I'm not making any judgments or apportioning blame in any way, just saying how I believe it transpired.

Now Deloitte's involvement may have created legal barriers that needed to be overcome. I don't know. But can you at least confirm that the information in the Times is correct in so far as they only facilitate and arrange the testing, and that the test results themselves are actually sent to somewhere within the NHS hierarchy. Presumably, if the tests are meant to be used in conjunction with any TTI system, then Deloitte will also have to provide the NHS with personal details of all the people they have arranged tests for, including names, contact details and addresses. Can you confirm this too.

We know this information is ending up at Dept of Health, and has been for many weeks, because pillar 2 testing is part of the daily information released by UKGOV.
 
I arranged an appointment at the GP earlier, which was non urgent and cancelled from early in lock down. Just needed some bloods.

Anyrate, was told I would need a face mask to be allowed in, so went to Sainsburys first thing, and asked the lass on the door, (who I know in a nodding kinda way), if they have any. She showed me where they should be, but either not restocked, or none available.

Cos it was for the GP visit, she got one for me from their staff stock! People can be really nice.
 
whiteshadow said:
Comparing number of cases is retarded as some countries are testing loads of people including those in the community, who only have mild symptoms, while other countries are only testing people who become seriously ill and are admitted to hospital.

As usual, chatting complete rubbish. Hopefully any potential vaccine is more potent than your intellect.
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I didn't compare the number of cases, @Bruce Wayne did.

You cant even follow a thread.

And stop using words like "retarded". For someone who likes to apparently denigrate other people's intellect you live in a glass house.
 
roydo said:
Genuine question, and I say that cos the question may sound trite.

But in Merica, if someone in hospital dies of Covid, (or anything come to that), do the hospitals go after the surviving family for their bill?
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Know your original question was already answered but this just highlights the issue


This is a REAL insurance claim statement (not final bill) for 4 weeks of Covid in the hospital I just got today for my fully insured Uncle that we lost. Over ONE million dollars for one person. Insurance paid $100,000 of it- 10%. Mind you they may accept insurance and clear this balance but even so- these numbers are insane. With double insurance (Medicare and private). If you were an uninsured person who spent 4 weeks on a ventilator like my Uncle did you could have a $1 million+ bill like this? In what world would a hospital value services at these rates. The most insane part is pharmacy was $470k. Chloroquine was a big part of that I’m sure. A medication that was pulled and didn’t work cost probably hundreds of thousands. More than anything else on the summary.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Know your original question was already answered but this just highlights the issue


This is a REAL insurance claim statement (not final bill) for 4 weeks of Covid in the hospital I just got today for my fully insured Uncle that we lost. Over ONE million dollars for one person. Insurance paid $100,000 of it- 10%. Mind you they may accept insurance and clear this balance but even so- these numbers are insane. With double insurance (Medicare and private). If you were an uninsured person who spent 4 weeks on a ventilator like my Uncle did you could have a $1 million+ bill like this? In what world would a hospital value services at these rates. The most insane part is pharmacy was $470k. Chloroquine was a big part of that I’m sure. A medication that was pulled and didn’t work cost probably hundreds of thousands. More than anything else on the summary.
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Blimey. I thought paying about £5.00 every day in the NCP (Car Park for Merican viewers), was steep when I visited Nik in hospital. About £300 all in. Turned the heating down and all sorts.

But thats just insane.
 
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