Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[COYBL25]

A bit unfair on one age group Pete. From what I saw there was probably a good cross section of ages.

I'm not overly concerned from a covid perspective tbh. If you were on the ground there the vast majority would actually be a good metre away from each other which would be acceptable from next week. Plus it's outside in hot conditions. I'm more concerned about the drunkenness, the fighting and stabbings, and the absolute mess the selfish sods left behind. In fact the downright disrespect they showed to the local people. Shocking

They’ve just applied a 48 hour dispersal order to stop this where I’ve, meaning from 5pm tonight, no one can drink or gather in groups on the streets within a certain designated area.

FACISTS.

 

[USABlue]

They’ve just applied a 48 hour dispersal order to stop this where I’ve, meaning from 5pm tonight, no one can drink or gather in groups on the streets within a certain designated area.

FACISTS.

If only they did it at Anfield last night

 

[Barnfred 55]

As someone in the 20-30 age group I think this is a little harsh. I’m seeing a lot of talk on social media which is demonstrating that a lot of younger people are starting to grow frustrated with the restrictions in place. Thinking of your own life could obviously be deemed as selfish, but when you see boomers and older breaking the lockdown restrictions regularly and showing no common sense to protect themselves, why should the burden fall on the young? As an example and I’ll admit it freely I’m fed up of seeing pensioners jumping the queue at supermarkets and shops to take advantage of this situation when the whole point of giving them specific shopping hours was to limit their interaction with the general population not to give them a free ride to browse around as much as they like. It seems to be that it’s the older generations who are mostly anti face mask as well. And don’t tell me that the 40+ generation aren’t part of the groups sunning themselves on the beaches.

At the end of the day, we’ve reached what Whitty and Valance spoke about all those weeks ago- people are fed up and have quite simply had enough of lockdowns and restrictions. I don’t think that’s restricted to one age group.

Boris has come out today and basically said younger people have a very, very small risk from this virus and the measures are in place to protect the vulnerable in society to whom the virus does pose a serious risk. So you’re asking people to put their own lives on hold for the good of everyone else. Easy to say, harder to get people to do. Especially for a long time. And especially when you feel like the people who are more at risk aren’t actually trying to help themselves.

Obviously these are generalised statements- a lot of people are doing their best. A lot more people than at the start now aren’t. But it’s not just my age group who are starting to act up.

I've had a go at Pete for singling out age groups so just to be consistent .

This isn't really about age groups. I'm one of the boomers you speak of and probably of a higher risk of being ill from the virus, but apart from having a go at the youngsters over those raves a few weeks ago, which I thought were a bit thoughtless at the time, I have generally defended the younger generation in here. Particularly as regards protecting their financial futures. I've seen many of the oldies in the 80+ range express an opinion that they've had their time and they don't expect today's youngsters financial futures to be put at risk in their name.

Basically what I'm saying is that not all young people act the same and not all old people act the same, so neither should be pigeon holed.

 

[Barnfred 55]

People on the whole behaved well for the early part of the lockdown but the wheels came off when Cummings showed complete disregard for the rules showing they could be manipulated to his own agenda.

In my opinion people everywhere were waiting for an opportunity to do what they want, and soft arse Cummings handed it to them on a plate. There's absolutely no doubt that Johnson lacked leadership in not immediately sacking him. Having said that, I'm not entirely convinced that a lot of people wouldn't have just done what they wanted anyway, even if Cummings was sacked.

 

[peteblue]

A bit unfair on one age group Pete. From what I saw there was probably a good cross section of ages.

I'm not overly concerned from a covid perspective tbh. If you were on the ground there the vast majority would actually be a good metre away from each other which would be acceptable from next week. Plus it's outside in hot conditions. I'm more concerned about the drunkenness, the fighting and stabbings, and the absolute mess the selfish sods left behind. In fact the downright disrespect they showed to the local people. Shocking

That’s what I was on about really. I agree that on a beach the 2m rule is probably being observed because that’s what people always did anyway. But Fighting and stabbings......

 

[Barnfred 55]

They’ve just applied a 48 hour dispersal order to stop this where I’ve, meaning from 5pm tonight, no one can drink or gather in groups on the streets within a certain designated area.

FACISTS.

In Liverpool? Really.

Aimed at the RS celebrations do you think?. Good old councillor Anderson

 

[paultheblue]

In my opinion people everywhere were waiting for an opportunity to do what they want, and soft arse Cummings handed it to them on a plate. There's absolutely no doubt that Johnson lacked leadership in not immediately sacking him. Having said that, I'm not entirely convinced that a lot of people wouldn't have just done what they wanted anyway, even if Cummings was sacked.

You are probably right but all they needed was crack in the rules and the lockdown was done

 

[peteblue]

The root of the problem is the likes of Dominic Cummings breaking the rules with impunity and Johnson defending him.

Yes that was it. A sick man and his sick wife taking their child to his parents to lock down in a separate building has driven thousands of 20/30 something to pack the beaches and fight and stab each other.....thanks for that input.....

 

[peteblue]

I don't think any age group comes out in glory in all of this.

I disagree. The over 70’s have religiously stayed at home. The 60-70‘s are the ones staying in and wearing masks when the have to go out. The 20/30’s have caused absolute mayhem and will no doubt do so again on 4/7.......don’t make excuses for them, that’s why they are what they are.......

 

[mill]

Yes that was it. A sick man and his sick wife taking their child to his parents to lock down in a separate building has driven thousands of 20/30 something to pack the beaches and fight and stab each other.....thanks for that input.....

Lol at you believing the Dominic Cummings story.
Can you also point out the thousands of 20/30 year olds stabbing each other.

 

[peteblue]

Think that age group have should remarkable levels of responsibility, particialrly in the early stages of the virus, as they have the least amount of health risk yet shouldered a disproportionate amount of the financial hit from the closures.

The lectures on personal responsibility seem a tad ironic since older generations don’t seem to have shown much concern for younger ones on a whole range of issues from finances to the climate.

I disagree. The older generations have done what they were asked to do. The younger generation are attending raves, pitched battles with police, fights on beaches and we still make excuses for them, just as you have now done.....

 

[mill]

I disagree. The over 70’s have religiously stayed at home. The 60-70‘s are the ones staying in and wearing masks when the have to go out. The 20/30’s have caused absolute mayhem and will no doubt do so again on 4/7.......don’t make excuses for them, that’s why they are what they are.......

You’ve jumped the shark now. Have you been in the sun too long or on the ale?

 

[Barnfred 55]

ha exactly.
plus the thing that people forget is that a lot of those people live alone or in small flats and don’t have anywhere to go. They don’t have a family or a family home.

if they do live with people they are likely to live with people their own age and so it might seem like they are breaking rules when in reality they are hanging with their flat mates. Which is not different to a family of 4 doing it.

i spoke to someone yesterday who has had a national trust estate to herself during lockdown because it’s been shut to the public. You are talking acres of the most beautiful land to herself. Not all lockdowns are created equally.

ive been really cautious but to be honest and still am for personal reasons but the Cummings thing totally destroyed any unity and ‘we are in it together‘ and so why should that generation give a f*** about a generation that doesn’t care about them.

My missus works for the NT and helps manage one of their properties. It isn't open to the public, although it could be, but rather is let out as holiday apartments or complete if you want somewhere that sleeps 30. It has the most amazing gardens that rundown to it's own private beach on the River Helford. It's 15 minutes walk from where we live, and we've had the run of it during the lockdown . We've been quite fortunate in lockdown.

 

[peteblue]

As someone in the 20-30 age group I think this is a little harsh. I’m seeing a lot of talk on social media which is demonstrating that a lot of younger people are starting to grow frustrated with the restrictions in place. Thinking of your own life could obviously be deemed as selfish, but when you see boomers and older breaking the lockdown restrictions regularly and showing no common sense to protect themselves, why should the burden fall on the young? As an example and I’ll admit it freely I’m fed up of seeing pensioners jumping the queue at supermarkets and shops to take advantage of this situation when the whole point of giving them specific shopping hours was to limit their interaction with the general population not to give them a free ride to browse around as much as they like. It seems to be that it’s the older generations who are mostly anti face mask as well. And don’t tell me that the 40+ generation aren’t part of the groups sunning themselves on the beaches.

At the end of the day, we’ve reached what Whitty and Valance spoke about all those weeks ago- people are fed up and have quite simply had enough of lockdowns and restrictions. I don’t think that’s restricted to one age group.

Boris has come out today and basically said younger people have a very, very small risk from this virus and the measures are in place to protect the vulnerable in society to whom the virus does pose a serious risk. So you’re asking people to put their own lives on hold for the good of everyone else. Easy to say, harder to get people to do. Especially for a long time. And especially when you feel like the people who are more at risk aren’t actually trying to help themselves.

Obviously these are generalised statements- a lot of people are doing their best. A lot more people than at the start now aren’t. But it’s not just my age group who are starting to act up.

Good post. I agree that certainly not all of those age groups are to blame, but to use an argument thrown against Leavers, not all of the people who are 20-30 are disobeying the social distancing or causing trouble, but all of the people who are doing so are 20-30, or 40 as you suggest.......

 

[peteblue]

They’ve just applied a 48 hour dispersal order to stop this where I’ve, meaning from 5pm tonight, no one can drink or gather in groups on the streets within a certain designated area.

FACISTS.

MURDERERS....