Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

It's the staff in bars and restaurants I feel sorry for.

There will be people with underlying issues and those who live with or have close contact with shielders.

Accepting and taking on a level of personal risk is fine, but this whole thing is very messy and puts people in the most unenviable and difficult circumstances.

It should be made possible in what are unprecedented circumstances, in post-furlough world, for people to make a conscientious objection to the obligation to work in situations where their own or the health or loved ones, is at risk.

Obviously, you would need to have some documentary proof of such circumstances, but people could get it. There needs to be creative and understanding human responses on this as the situation progresses.

Yeah. In our rush to get back to normal there's a danger we lose sight of the workers. I'm sure the conditions n the kitchens of some of these restaurants make social distancing impossible. But it must be similar in some of these smaller shops, and in industry too. We've seen some outbreaks in food production plants in Germany and Wales for instance.

 

[spectateur]

Distancing in pubs will be difficult unless the number of people in the place at any time is limited.
À crowded pub is very noisy, conversations take place with people having to shout into each others face.
Only safe with seating at well spaced tables and waiter service, no jostling at the bar.

 

[Blueclouds]

Things are looking up and yet we still having posters on here still declaring doom day, its the same posters who predict relegation for Everton every season. Lol

 

[Barnfred 55]

The frightening thing is what is going on in the rest of the world. South America have daily infection rates that continue to grow by the day, ditto in India, Pakistan etc. They are not yet at their peaks and then have the the whole of the downward slope to contend with. This thing is not going away anytime soon.....

Mexico too. Haven't heard from Mexico city for a while, and it was mayhem there a couple of weeks ago.

It's going to hit Africa at some stage.

 

[roydo]

Mexico too. Haven't heard from Mexico city for a while, and it was mayhem there a couple of weeks ago.

It's going to hit Africa at some stage.

Was a piece in one of the weekend magazines about it. Mexico that is. In a mess.

 

[Barnfred 55]

New cases of those tested under 1000 today for the first time since whenever. 958 from 140k tests. Good news.

Let's see if they can keep it there.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Was a piece in one of the weekend magazines about it. Mexico that is. In a mess.

Yeah. I saw somewhere that something like 16 of their 18 hospitals in Mexico City were completely overwhelmed. That was 2 weeks ago and I've heard nothing since. I've just googled their death rates and it shows Mexico at 21k and Mexico City at 5k. But I also saw a newspaper article from early May regarding excess deaths recorded in Mexico City. At the time this was 8k and the official covid death figure at the time was 2k. It looks like the vast majority of their covid deaths are going unrecorded.

Also they may not have yet hit the peak of their deaths. The new daily infection rate is still rising and yesterdays official new death figure was over 1200. Scary and could end up worse than Brazil.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Distancing in pubs will be difficult unless the number of people in the place at any time is limited.
À crowded pub is very noisy, conversations take place with people having to shout into each others face.
Only safe with seating at well spaced tables and waiter service, no jostling at the bar.

The way it's done here is that each pub has a capacity based on its square meterage inside and outside. Tables can be for up to 6 inside and up to 10 outside. The police are doing rolling patrols eyeballing the terraces and dropping into a few each night at random. They also do a full roll through at 1am to make sure everybody is closed. Servers have to come to the tables and wear masks, break either of those rules and you're on the hook for a €750 fine.

My mate is open 15% less and has made the same money as pre lockdown the last 2 weeks.

 

[roydo]

The way it's done here is that each pub has a capacity based on its square meterage inside and outside. Tables can be for up to 6 inside and up to 10 outside. The police are doing rolling patrols eyeballing the terraces and dropping into a few each night at random. They also do a full roll through at 1am to make sure everybody is closed. Servers have to come to the tables and wear masks, break either of those rules and you're on the hook for a €750 fine.

My mate is open 15% less and has made the same money as pre lockdown the last 2 weeks.

Some would say your mate is a profit seeking murderer.

Most would say he is a bloke doing his best to get his business up and running, providing employment and a valued service, within exceptional circumstances.

 

[spectateur]

The way it's done here is that each pub has a capacity based on its square meterage inside and outside. Tables can be for up to 6 inside and up to 10 outside. The police are doing rolling patrols eyeballing the terraces and dropping into a few each night at random. They also do a full roll through at 1am to make sure everybody is closed. Servers have to come to the tables and wear masks, break either of those rules and you're on the hook for a €750 fine.

My mate is open 15% less and has made the same money as pre lockdown the last 2 weeks.

Similar here in France. Number of tables allowed depends on room and terrace areas.
No sitting or standing at the bar.
However friends of ours report takings well down on normal summer openings.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Some would say your mate is a profit seeking murderer.

Most would say he is a bloke doing his best to get his business up and running, providing employment and a valued service, within exceptional circumstances.

Tell you what, he's had to lay off 2 staff, him and his lad who co-own it are the only 2 working now. THey're open 6 nights a week 4 until 1 and he told me yesterday that his takehome is about €1800 a month, miniumum here is about €1400. Lot of work for not a lot of reward.

The murdering bustard.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Similar here in France. Number of tables allowed depends on room and terrace areas.
No sitting or standing at the bar.
However friends of ours report takings well down on normal summer openings.

My mate is right in the centre of a city of 250,000, though. Not sure where you are.

 

[Moomin]

Yeah. I saw somewhere that something like 16 of their 18 hospitals in Mexico City were completely overwhelmed. That was 2 weeks ago and I've heard nothing since. I've just googled their death rates and it shows Mexico at 21k and Mexico City at 5k. But I also saw a newspaper article from early May regarding excess deaths recorded in Mexico City. At the time this was 8k and the official covid death figure at the time was 2k. It looks like the vast majority of their covid deaths are going unrecorded.

Also they may not have yet hit the peak of their deaths. The new daily infection rate is still rising and yesterdays official new death figure was over 1200. Scary and could end up worse than Brazil.

Think they will be under cooking the real numbers.

Just have to look at our stats and the US ones they we are not giving the true figure. Brazil's real figure will be at least double what they are reporting.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Get in! That means I can start smelling peoples hair in front of me in queues again.

I wouldn't want to be doing that if you were in a queue behind me mate.

I've gone all hippie. No cutting my hair, no washing it and no shaving. I'm waiting for it to grow long enough to get dreads put in native lol

 

[davek]

The risk doubles going by a study in the Lancet.



https://hospitalhealthcare.com/covid-19/should-the-2m-social-distancing-rule-be-relaxed/

Any source for your "claim" that it increases the risk 'ten-fold'?

It's down to time x distance:

Vallance:

“The risk at one metre is about 10 to 30 times higher than the risk at two metres, so social distancing is an important part of this.” “The evidence is, as far as you can get very firm evidence on this, is essentially a minute at two metres contact is about the same as six seconds at one metre." 5th May.

The time element is key, and something (as your link explains to you if you'd read it) that was omitted from the Lancet study:

"While the finding from the Lancet paper offer support for the current UK recommendation, it is important to recognise that the study had some limitations. For instance, the authors were unable to assess the effect of exposure duration since this factor varied considerably".