Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Is this not at least partially down to improvements in testing? Can’t imagine any potential second wave will be any where near as disruptive as the first now that people know what’s required and infrastructure is largely in place.

Im not saying a 2nd wave will be as deadly, but I'm quite concerned that a LOT of people have decided that this virus offers no threat anymore.
 
Are you in a job that is at risk because of it? If you are then fair enough. If you aren't, I really don't think it's your prerogative to judge other people who could lose their jobs.

People have been furloughed and it's still in place and should be too. I can work from home anyway, thankfully. But that in no way shape or form disallows me from commenting on a lockdown being eased at a time when 1000 per week are still being killed.

You deal in abstractions about freedom. This particular freedom has consequences for the most vulnerable in our society. But I expect you dont give a flying one about that.

Go and get your beard singed, or whatever essential task it is you need to take care of.
 
I'll have to answer this in more depth later but it is not so much about speed so much as how is communicated and the messaging that supports it.

And a national approach to what is not a one size fits all model.
Fully agree on the communication side. Absolutely stinks.

I also tend to agree on the latter but unless you lockdown people travelling there is no way opening up based on location can be properly controlled.

But as regards the pace of things and what he's actually opening, I don't think he's doing to bad a job.

Bottom line is that every single decision they make, there will be people for it and against it. The media are focusing wholly on those against it so all we see on TV and in the media are people moaning. Schools are a prime example. Leading up to June 1st all you heard about was people saying it's too much too soon. As soon as he says he isn't opening up to the rest of primary students as planned, all you hear about are the children who need to return to school and how the country is failing them.
 
68,000 people killed in this country due to the mishandling of this crisis, but you just shrug and demand a Greggs pastie.
Well who is going to bring them back? I'm not demanding a Gregg's pasties at all. Im Requesting that my gym reopens as it helps my mental health to work out and it's not as if its loaded with people in the danger zone anyway. You are in fact the one demanding that we all sit at home, seemingly until you've died of natural causes.
 
People have been furloughed and it's still in place and should be too. I can work from home anyway, thankfully. But that in no way shape or form disallows me from commenting on a lockdown being eased at a time when 1000 per week are still being killed.

You deal in abstractions about freedom. This particular freedom has consequences for the most vulnerable in our society. But I expect you dont give a flying one about that.

Go and get your beard singed, or whatever essential task it is you need to take care of.
I'm 60, male and overweight; my missus is the same except she's obviously female. If either of us were to catch it I believe we would both be at high risk of hospitalisation and possibly death. I also have 4 family members who are part of the 2m most at risk that are shielding. And I do give a flying one about them acually, and all the others.

Me and the missus have both followed government guidelines and stuck to social distancing rules, and we will continue to do so as things start to open up. But we don't sit in an ivory tower sitting in judgment on everybody around us if they don't confirm to our own perception of right and wrong. We acknowledge that this is both a medical and a financial crisis, and understand that almost everybody will be affected one way or the other, and in many cases both. None of my at risk family members, not one of them, want the livelihoods of millions, mainly young people, to be ruined just so they can be protected. They want some sort of normality to return and look forward to the day that they too will be able to join in again. As do I.
 
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10m not many really. 80m population, say around 40m smartphones. Is that fair?. 25% isn't enough to make it effective really is it? has it been out there long?

It's probably pretty ineffective at those levels, but the overall take up is less important than the take up amongst people who are likely to have more social contacts, especially where those contacts are with people they barely know.

So, for example, for blokes in their 50's and 60's who have limited social contacts, and the vast majority of those contacts are with people they know pretty well,an app isn't that important. If they get infected, they'll be able to tell anyone doing a manual track and trace who they met and give them those peoples contact details.

Any app's more important for people who are looking, or likely to meet new people whose contact details they don't have.

So, an example would be @ForeverBlue92 going out on a Friday evening looking for talent, or hair cutting skills, to persue. If a contact tracer rang him, as well as trying to keep out of earshot of his missus, he might not have contact info for the hairdresser or the desperate divorcee he fingered, but, the app might have recorded their meeting, so could quietly let people know they'd been close to someone who was infected.
 
Well who is going to bring them back? I'm not demanding a Gregg's pasties at all. Im Requesting that my gym reopens as it helps my mental health to work out and it's not as if its loaded with people in the danger zone anyway. You are in fact the one demanding that we all sit at home, seemingly until you've died of natural causes.
Go for a run or bike ride instead. Release some endorphins. That'll help your mental well being more than necking a few steroids down at the local poseur parlour.
 
I'm not dismissing anything going on when I say this.

A lot of people do seem to forget that for millions potentially , they have not seen this virus. Not known anyone directly who has had it and not got it themselves.

Something to consider when you talk about people's mentality 3 months down the line.
 
I'm 60, male and overweight; my missus is the same except she's obviously female. If either of us were to catch it I believe we would both be at high risk of hospitalisation and possibly death. I also have 4 family members who are part of the 2m most at risk that are shielding. And I do give a flying one about them acually, and all the others.

Me and the missus have both followed government guidelines and stuck to social distancing rules, and we will continue to do so as things start to open up. But we don't sit in an ivory tower sitting in judgment on everybody around us if they don't confirm to our own perception of right and wrong. We acknowledge that this is both a medical and a financial crisis, and understand that almost everybody will be affected one way or the other, and in many cases both. None of my at risk family members, not one of them, want the livelihoods of millions, mainly young people, to be ruined just so they can be protected. They want some sort of normality to return and look forward to the day that they too will be able to join in again. As do I.
You realise that you are at danger but will fight for the right of others to become 'more active' and for economic considerations to be given equal weight to medical ones, even though that will increase your danger.

I dont get that.

Forget being concerned with the livelihoods of others; they can survive this crisis easily enough. So what they (and the rest of us) will endure hardship until this virus weakens and medical innovation puts a cap on it. The preservation of human life is paramount, not making some cash for people who couldn't give a shiny one whether we live or not.
 
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