Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Brennan]

Its something that should have happened right at beginning of our lock down. However, what is evident with this Government it uses selective sciences only to pursue ideologies and has to be embarrassed to make logical decisions which often leaves them way behind any curve. Its vacant of any leadership or authority, which considering its majority recent is amazing. 20,000 deaths was going to be a good result this Government stated!

Sage were advising the government not to lock down air travel.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

My understanding from the article was that BA were invited to discuss the plans, and they refused because they hadn’t been asked sooner or in as much depth as they had wanted. The article doesn’t actually specify what involvement if any airlines have had with governments prior to the announcement.

I don’t think the Government has to consult with every large business before a policy is implemented particularly in the current circumstances.

No, of course, but you would equally hope that this plan has been in place for some time, so it seems churlish not to involve people early. Indeed, you'd hope that the Home Office have been consulting with the airline industry extensively to understand what measures they've been taking to date, and how successful those have been.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Sage were advising the government not to lock down air travel.

So it has no leadership. Sage is there to advise, and it would be prudent of any Government to question, like some of us here weeks ago, why other countries were quarantining air travelers from beginning...
Incidentally, they have much lower deaths but they have better PPE they have better track and trace, they have made decision about masks weeks earlier, must be voodoo, what do other countries know that our Government does not know...

 

[Tubey]

The air travel ban isn't something that'll actually happen in reality. The so-called "air bridges" will be basically with everyone.

The only reason it's been brought in is for the politics of it. The government didn't quarantine flight when the virus could have been contained early on, so they're doing it now so that they can retrospectively claim they took the measure when it's all said and done a year from now.

It's the same as how they "shielded" the elderly and "protected" care homes, when they did neither until it was too late. But they can still claim they did it because they eventually put measures in place.

 

[Brennan]

So it has no leadership. Sage is there to advise, and it would be prudent of any Government to question, like some of us here weeks ago, why other countries were quarantining air travelers from beginning...
Incidentally, they have much lower deaths but they have better PPE they have better track and trace, they have made decision about masks weeks earlier, must be voodoo, what do other countries know that our Government does not know...

You can’t have your cake and eat it.

You said they were ignoring the scientific advice, they weren’t in this instance.

Doesn't mean they were correct.

 

[Tea_drinker]

Well that didn’t happen this Wednesday so when did it.....

You either havent been watching or you lack the will or ability to acknowledge when your side has lost. Johnson has been battered every single week in pmqs. He was absolutely destroyed this week, embarrassingly so.

I understand that you are a tory, and as I've said before i've never voted labour in my life, but by failing to recognise clear and obvious facts you do your own intelligence a disservice.

 

[Joey66]

So advising to wear masks now they are available- my wife's been using one going for shopping since day one .......
It was so obvious they were needed ......
Yet the government were so short of PPE for the NHS .....at that time ..
They were not necessary.....now on transport they will fine people for not wearing a mask ..

 

[Billy Dean]

So advising to wear masks now they are available- my wife's been using one going for shopping since day one .......
It was so obvious they were needed ......
Yet the government were so short of PPE for the NHS .....at that time ..
They were not necessary.....now on transport they will fine people for not wearing a mask ..

Same where I am. Once they had enough supplies they announced it was necessary

 

[ramacca]

Sage were advising the government not to lock down air travel.

This information was presented to Sage from January until it was taken out after 10th February.

SPI-M-O: Consensus Statement on 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Date: 10th February 2020. FINAL

It is a realistic probability that there is already sustained transmission in the UK, or that it will be become established in the coming weeks.

Relative risk of epidemics in other countries
14. The relative risk of cases in countries outside China has been shown to be correlated with air passenger levels. Countries with a higher volume of travel to and from China have been more likely to experience cases. Whilst it is to be expected that this will continue to be the case, transport patterns are changing, so the relative risk is expected to as well".

SAGE were informed that more passengers coming from China would mean possibly more infections. The government took the decision not to test, screen and quarantine passengers from China thereby allowing passengers from a hotspot to enter the country with the potential to spread the virus.


"When did coronavirus first come to the UK? The first confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK were on January 29, when two Chinese nationals fell ill at the Staycity Aparthotel in York. On February 6, a British businessman in Brighton was diagnosed with the virus after catching in in Singapore".

The Ebola crisis in 2014 when they took action at UK airports for people returning from a hotspot. So they knew that testing and screening and quarantining, was a very important element for potentially stopping Ebola from entering the UK.

But they refused to test, screen and quarantine at UK airports and ports, when coronavirus was spreading, and this was disaster and allowed the virus to enter the UK more easily and the subsequent suffering and deaths that resulted. A conscience fatal mistake.

 

[ramacca]

So it has no leadership. Sage is there to advise, and it would be prudent of any Government to question, like some of us here weeks ago, why other countries were quarantining air travelers from beginning...
Incidentally, they have much lower deaths but they have better PPE they have better track and trace, they have made decision about masks weeks earlier, must be voodoo, what do other countries know that our Government does not know...

To take the coronavirus seriously and not like the jovial bonhomie superman attitude displayed by Johnson, and the inhumane herd immunity so prevalent with Johnson/Cummings/Vallance.

 

[davek]

@Brennan with his HM Government apologist routine in full swing.

 

[davek]

So advising to wear masks now they are available- my wife's been using one going for shopping since day one .......
It was so obvious they were needed ......
Yet the government were so short of PPE for the NHS .....at that time ..
They were not necessary.....now on transport they will fine people for not wearing a mask ..

Yep. The argument has been made by a lot of us on here for ages about face masks, only to be shouted down by the uninformed / government apologists.

What a load of BS from Shapps, by the way: masks are mandatory ONLY when getting on a public transport vehicle and it's voluntary up until then in stations / bus stops etc. Nobhead.

And shops not considered for it "because people move about in shops".

FFS, they have to be dragged kicking and screaming into any safety measure to keep people safer. They are a disgrace.

'kin murderers.

 

[peteblue]

You either havent been watching or you lack the will or ability to acknowledge when your side has lost. Johnson has been battered every single week in pmqs. He was absolutely destroyed this week, embarrassingly so.

I understand that you are a tory, and as I've said before i've never voted labour in my life, but by failing to recognise clear and obvious facts you do your own intelligence a disservice.

I watched the programme and we discussed it in the Labour Party thread.....

Starmer.....“I sent the PM a confidential note and he has not replied”......Boris “I phoned you up and we discussed it” .....forensic......

But why for heavens sake did he raise the issue of MP’s queuing to vote. He must have realised that Boris would immediately mention everybody else having to queue at Tesco’s and having to put up with restrictions in the workplace.....

 

[YoboCopter]

Anyone fancy giving me some rep? In a competiton with another lad off here, hes told me not to mention his name though

 

[Chewbacca]

Lol at the airlines with their “save the economy “ balderdash.

UK tourists spend £62 billion overseas each year. Overseas tourists spend £28 billion in the UK each year. If you want to save the economy go on a sangria bender in Blackpool.