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I included the diabetes as a additional risk factor, not as the reason for shielding..
As far as I'm concerned all employers everywhere should be doing what they can to protect the most at risk. As we learn more about this virus are knowledge increases and we know that the elderly, men, overweight people and people from BAME communities are at higher risk of being seriously ill. So if I was an employer I would be giving priority for working from home to an employee who was 60, black, had type 2 diabetes from being overweight, over a 22 year old white Caucasian female with no underlying health conditions.
 
Chaos at school gates as some children are TURNED AWAY because teachers 'aren't ready for them' and others haven't opened at all despite up to two million heading back to classes in England today

Up to 2million pupils were due to return to school today but some were turned away this morning because headteachers 'aren't ready' for them and around half of parents have chosen to keep their children at home.

The majority of schools in England appear to be ignoring the Government's diktat to get all reception, year 1 and year 6 children back in the classroom from June 1.

Many will remain closed for at least another week or two or have not set a date at all, while any that are open today say they can only increase the number of places for key workers' children, not for everyone.

There was confusion at several schools with some parents arriving with their children only to be informed they couldn't come in.

Winsor Primary School in east London sent a letter to parents last week informing them the school would reopen today for nursery, reception, year one and year six. But parents and children arriving were turned away and told teachers are still making arrangements.

Glauciane Conti was turned away at the school gate this morning with her son who is in year one. The 35-year-old, a cleaner from Forest Gate, said: 'My son just went in to ask the teachers and they say it is not open as they are still making arrangements. I don’t understand. Now I have to go to work'. Gallions Primary School, also in Beckton, plans to remain closed to the general public this week.

Hanif Hazari, 58 accompanied his son Mahmamudullabi who is a year 6 pupil at Havelock Primary School in Southall, west London after being informed via a text message that it was reopening following the easing of the lockdown.

Mr Hazari said: ‘The playground was completely deserted so I went into the school office and they told me that the school has now decided to remain closed and they don’t have a date as yet as to when it will open. It’s very confusing, I don’t know what’s going on. The Government appears to be saying one thing and the schools another.’ Mahmamudullabi, 11, added: 'I hope the school opens soon because I’m getting really bored at home.’

Jaswinder Grover, who arrived at the school with his daughter Simran, a year 6 pupil said: ‘‘I was initially told that the school would reopen today but as you can see, hardly anybody has turned up. And now the school is telling me something completely different. The Government needs to be a clearer about what’s actually going on and when our kids can go back to school, which I hope is soon.’


A Havelock Primary official told MailOnline that the school is now not scheduled to reopen until June 15 at the very earliest. He added: ‘Some parents were under the impression that we were opening on June 1. We’re very sorry for any confusion that’s been caused, and parents will be notified as soon as possible.’

However, Children's Commissioner Anne Longfield believes that schools will need to hold summer schools to enable pupils to catch up on work they have missed during the enforced break.

Ms Longfield said in The Telegraph: 'Based in school buildings and running throughout the holidays, summer schools could provide activities of all kinds, meals and potentially some learning too,' she said.

'The idea is also likely to be popular with parents, who however well-intentioned and motivated may need a break from home schooling and may also be in desperate need of childcare as they return to work.'

One teacher wrote this morning: 'Lots of us are going to feel very apprehensive and anxious about the new changes, however that looks in our school. We stand with each other.'

Queen’s Hill Primary and Nursery School near Norwich reopened to reception children on Monday, with 46 attending out of a total of 75 in the year group.

The school has been open to children of key workers throughout the coronavirus lockdown, with plans to reopen to nursery children next week and to children in Years 1 and 6 from June 15.

Emma Corps, 39, was in a socially distanced queue of parents as she dropped off her five-year-old daughter Isla at the school gates.

“I was a bit anxious but she was excited and I think they need to go back to school as there needs to be some sort of normality back in their lives,” she said.

“For the 10 weeks she was saying ‘when am I going back, when am I going back?’ then at 6.30am this morning it was ‘mummy, quick’!”

Jo Frost, 37, who was dropping off her five-year-old son Max at Queen’s Hill Primary and Nursery School near Norwich, said: “It’s obviously a difficult decision but you’ve got to weigh up everything in life.

“You can’t just shut yourself away and wrap yourself up in cotton wool. You could just walk out the door and anything could happen.

“The school have really thought about it. They’ve sent out lots of letters, pictures and given us all the information we need. I feel confident that they’re doing everything right. We were quite relieved, to be honest, as it’s quite a long time that he’s been off and at his age it’s really important to be with his peers.

Penny Sheppard, head teacher of Queen’s Hill Primary and Nursery School near Norwich, which reopened to reception children on Monday, said: “I think if I’m honest a lot of headteachers were quite surprised about June 1 because I think we’d been doing a lot of reading about things in the media.

“Probably a lot of us had thought ‘OK, we won’t be having children back until September’. But then like anything you take it in your stride don’t you?

“You think OK, right, after that little bit of a shock announcement, let’s think about this logically and then just start a plan of action to work towards that.

“We’ve been open throughout this and I’ve had 60 children (of key workers) in childcare so I know that the systems I’ve put in place are workable and the children, I’ve been keeping them in their separate ‘pods’.

“I knew it was just an extension of that'.
 
As far as I'm concerned all employers everywhere should be doing what they can to protect the most at risk. As we learn more about this virus are knowledge increases and we know that the elderly, men, overweight people and people from BAME communities are at higher risk of being seriously ill. So if I was an employer I would be giving priority for working from home to an employee who was 60, black, had type 2 diabetes from being overweight, over a 22 year old white Caucasian female with no underlying health conditions.
This is a prime example of why caution should be encouraged with a lot of discussion.

The initial suggestion was that the community was at greater risk because of genetic factors when more evidence now suggests that isn't correct and it's purely socioeconomic factors that place the community at increased risk.

But, I agree, employers should be taking sensible decisions but there is an unhealthy culture in the UK with needing to see people in offices 'working' rather than trusting they can do it remotely.
 
Chaos at school gates as some children are TURNED AWAY because teachers 'aren't ready for them' and others haven't opened at all despite up to two million heading back to classes in England today

Up to 2million pupils were due to return to school today but some were turned away this morning because headteachers 'aren't ready' for them and around half of parents have chosen to keep their children at home.

The majority of schools in England appear to be ignoring the Government's diktat to get all reception, year 1 and year 6 children back in the classroom from June 1.

Many will remain closed for at least another week or two or have not set a date at all, while any that are open today say they can only increase the number of places for key workers' children, not for everyone.

There was confusion at several schools with some parents arriving with their children only to be informed they couldn't come in.

Winsor Primary School in east London sent a letter to parents last week informing them the school would reopen today for nursery, reception, year one and year six. But parents and children arriving were turned away and told teachers are still making arrangements.

Glauciane Conti was turned away at the school gate this morning with her son who is in year one. The 35-year-old, a cleaner from Forest Gate, said: 'My son just went in to ask the teachers and they say it is not open as they are still making arrangements. I don’t understand. Now I have to go to work'. Gallions Primary School, also in Beckton, plans to remain closed to the general public this week.

Hanif Hazari, 58 accompanied his son Mahmamudullabi who is a year 6 pupil at Havelock Primary School in Southall, west London after being informed via a text message that it was reopening following the easing of the lockdown.

Mr Hazari said: ‘The playground was completely deserted so I went into the school office and they told me that the school has now decided to remain closed and they don’t have a date as yet as to when it will open. It’s very confusing, I don’t know what’s going on. The Government appears to be saying one thing and the schools another.’ Mahmamudullabi, 11, added: 'I hope the school opens soon because I’m getting really bored at home.’

Jaswinder Grover, who arrived at the school with his daughter Simran, a year 6 pupil said: ‘‘I was initially told that the school would reopen today but as you can see, hardly anybody has turned up. And now the school is telling me something completely different. The Government needs to be a clearer about what’s actually going on and when our kids can go back to school, which I hope is soon.’


A Havelock Primary official told MailOnline that the school is now not scheduled to reopen until June 15 at the very earliest. He added: ‘Some parents were under the impression that we were opening on June 1. We’re very sorry for any confusion that’s been caused, and parents will be notified as soon as possible.’

However, Children's Commissioner Anne Longfield believes that schools will need to hold summer schools to enable pupils to catch up on work they have missed during the enforced break.

Ms Longfield said in The Telegraph: 'Based in school buildings and running throughout the holidays, summer schools could provide activities of all kinds, meals and potentially some learning too,' she said.

'The idea is also likely to be popular with parents, who however well-intentioned and motivated may need a break from home schooling and may also be in desperate need of childcare as they return to work.'

One teacher wrote this morning: 'Lots of us are going to feel very apprehensive and anxious about the new changes, however that looks in our school. We stand with each other.'

Queen’s Hill Primary and Nursery School near Norwich reopened to reception children on Monday, with 46 attending out of a total of 75 in the year group.

The school has been open to children of key workers throughout the coronavirus lockdown, with plans to reopen to nursery children next week and to children in Years 1 and 6 from June 15.

Emma Corps, 39, was in a socially distanced queue of parents as she dropped off her five-year-old daughter Isla at the school gates.

“I was a bit anxious but she was excited and I think they need to go back to school as there needs to be some sort of normality back in their lives,” she said.

“For the 10 weeks she was saying ‘when am I going back, when am I going back?’ then at 6.30am this morning it was ‘mummy, quick’!”

Jo Frost, 37, who was dropping off her five-year-old son Max at Queen’s Hill Primary and Nursery School near Norwich, said: “It’s obviously a difficult decision but you’ve got to weigh up everything in life.

“You can’t just shut yourself away and wrap yourself up in cotton wool. You could just walk out the door and anything could happen.

“The school have really thought about it. They’ve sent out lots of letters, pictures and given us all the information we need. I feel confident that they’re doing everything right. We were quite relieved, to be honest, as it’s quite a long time that he’s been off and at his age it’s really important to be with his peers.

Penny Sheppard, head teacher of Queen’s Hill Primary and Nursery School near Norwich, which reopened to reception children on Monday, said: “I think if I’m honest a lot of headteachers were quite surprised about June 1 because I think we’d been doing a lot of reading about things in the media.

“Probably a lot of us had thought ‘OK, we won’t be having children back until September’. But then like anything you take it in your stride don’t you?

“You think OK, right, after that little bit of a shock announcement, let’s think about this logically and then just start a plan of action to work towards that.

“We’ve been open throughout this and I’ve had 60 children (of key workers) in childcare so I know that the systems I’ve put in place are workable and the children, I’ve been keeping them in their separate ‘pods’.

“I knew it was just an extension of that'.
Utter shambles
 
Guardian:

Telling the most vulnerable they can now go out fits the ‘good news’ narrative. But where is the evidence behind this U-turn?

The announcement came out of the blue. On Sunday, the government said 2.2 million high-risk “shielders” in England and Wales will be allowed to go outside for the first time from Monday if they feel “comfortable”, either with members of their household, or, if they live alone, to meet one other person. These are people who, for the last 10 weeks, have been told to stay in their homes 24/7, without any break for exercise or fresh air.

This marks a remarkable U-turn from ministers. Previous guidance advised that people with serious underlying health conditions, such as lung disease or low immunity, would need to shield until the end of June. Andthere was no mention of an anticipated change in last week’s announcement easing lockdown for the wider public, nor any advance warning to health professionals. Disability organisations and charities appear to have been taken aback by the move, with the MS Society telling me they were “extremely concerned”.

From the outset of the pandemic, the government’s communication to shielders has been found wanting, to the extent that many didn’t even know how long they were supposed to shield for. The latest update – announced via tweets at 10pm on a Saturday night and trailed in the press – was like moving the goalposts on the quiet. Rather than hearing it first from a government briefing or from their doctor, shielders had to find out about the change on social media.

When I spoke to people affected, the reaction was one of confusion, anxiety, and anger. Some noted that they had been told by their doctors only 24 hours earlier that they would need to shield for at least another month. “There’s no way I’m trusting the government’s advice,” was the general response.
 
This is a prime example of why caution should be encouraged with a lot of discussion.

The initial suggestion was that the community was at greater risk because of genetic factors when more evidence now suggests that isn't correct and it's purely socioeconomic factors that place the community at increased risk.


But, I agree, employers should be taking sensible decisions but there is an unhealthy culture in the UK with needing to see people in offices 'working' rather than trusting they can do it remotely.
Something I argued to be the case a few weeks back and was told it was genetic. :coffee:
 
From the Torygraph:

Private schooling:

The Prime Minister has said that state primary schools will begin to reopen today, June 1, following two months of lockdown to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Boris Johnson said that this phased reopening of primary schools from early June, followed by the return of some secondary pupils, was "conditional" and subject to change, depending on the state of the pandemic.

But where does that leave independent schools?

Private schools are not subject to the decrees of the Department for Education, so they may arrive at independent plans for reopening. The Coronavirus Act did not make it compulsory for all schools to follow the Government advice. However, the sector has largely been following the DfE guidelines for two reasons: first, with safety paramount, many schools are reluctant to contradict government advice.

And secondly, in general, private schools have been far more successful than their state counterparts at setting up live remote learning (with more advanced pre-existing digital platforms and better staff:student ratios, it has been easier), so many pupils have continued with a near-normal timetable throughout lockdown. Moving lessons back into the classroom could disrupt this new schedule. Among other challenges, Government guidelines recommend one teacher per group of children - which is difficult for schools where children are accustomed to having specialist teachers from Year 5.




...which is nice for them.
 
This is a prime example of why caution should be encouraged with a lot of discussion.

The initial suggestion was that the community was at greater risk because of genetic factors when more evidence now suggests that isn't correct and it's purely socioeconomic factors that place the community at increased risk.

But, I agree, employers should be taking sensible decisions but there is an unhealthy culture in the UK with needing to see people in offices 'working' rather than trusting they can do it remotely.
Who said I was referring to genetic factors as regards BANE communities. It would likely take years of research to draw any conclusions in that regard
 
Who said I was referring to genetic factors as regards BANE communities. It would likely take years of research to draw any conclusions in that regard
Nobody

The point was about people, I'm not saying you, confidently stating definitively one thing vs the other and assumptions leading to assumptions about other things.
 
Who said I was referring to genetic factors as regards BANE communities. It would likely take years of research to draw any conclusions in that regard
Didn't you mention them as a risk factor? It was then stated that it may be a socio-economic risk, not one that's genetically inherent.
 
The government really don’t help themselves with the way they communicate these changes to the restrictions. If they are to allow shielded members of the public to venture outside once per day while social distancing they should have ensured that the reasons behind this decision were made clear from a scientific perspective.

I believe the vast majority of those shielded will make use of this opportunity to go outdoors in a sensible and safe way, but the government shouldn’t just be relying on people to make their best judgements. They need to advise with examples of what would be prudent.

Going outside early in the morning or later in the evening, avoiding busy thoroughfares and congested green spaces, etc.

This is a prime example of why caution should be encouraged with a lot of discussion.

The initial suggestion was that the community was at greater risk because of genetic factors when more evidence now suggests that isn't correct and it's purely socioeconomic factors that place the community at increased risk.

But, I agree, employers should be taking sensible decisions but there is an unhealthy culture in the UK with needing to see people in offices 'working' rather than trusting they can do it remotely.

I don’t think the evidence does suggest it’s purely down to socioeconomic factors.

There are many reports that Vitamin D deficiency can be a key driver of poor response to Covid exposure. Unfortunately Vitamin D deficiency is far more common amongst the BAME community in the UK and other parts of Europe due to the UV levels found here.
 
Wow. The queue outside the kids school at the top of my road is going round the whole block.
Yellow lines been painted on pavement to social distance.
All well and good on a lovely sunny day, but I'd imagine utter carnage if it's pissing down.
It's not like going the shops which you can pick and choose whether to or not. You need to pick kids up.
 
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