Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

Just on point one


Regarding the rest, I think by and large the stupid targets the Government are setting are of their own making, purely to grab headlines or deflect from them...

Can't meet 100,000 on a regular basis, ask us again in a month and we'll be doing 200,000. It's goading the media and opposition and it's childish because they haven't got any other substance.

I haven't a clue what bubble you are talking about. I'm relaying what a TV personality GP said on a television show, not on YouTube. And all I've said about contact tracing is that they have rushed it through. I never mentioned the word incontrovertible. I'm not sure I can even spell it. But I can tell you the reason it wasn't adopted in the UK from day 1 is because we didn't have the testing capacity. Had we used our wealth of testing capacity within our academia and private industry from the outset, we probably could have TTI and it could possibly have saved tens of thousands of lives.

The various targets the government set may have been stupid, they were certainly testing. Look, I'm not protecting the government here. When this is over you will be able to write a book on things they've got wrong. All I am saying is that the minute scrutiny they are under in everything they do is forcing them against a wall. And when put up against a wall politicians will revert to type and make political decisions, at a time they should be making scientific ones. They are getting almost everything wrong at the moment at a time they need to be getting things 100% right.

They should have said, we're still in stage 4 so we aren't implementing any of the changes we said we were going to make on June 1st. Also the contact tracing system isn't ready and we can't implement changes under stage 3 until that is up and running. So we've decided to ut it back a couple of weeks and review it again. Our media would be applauding any other country that did that, but if we did it here you just know the government would get absolutely pummelled by the media, on social media and very likely by the opposition. It would be portrayed as another failure of the government, another deadline missed, rather than as a sensible decision by a government who is letting science dictate the schedule.

That's the sad reality of just how polarised our country has become. Having said that, the correct decision would have been to postpone the stage 3 and to take the flack that went with it, but they didn't have the balls to do that and I've little doubt that history will show that.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Those pens can’t push themselves lol

It's a fair point.

I'll leave the regional updates and strategic health insight to @peteblue and @davek

That should keep us well informed.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Your faith in how robust the system is mate.

It's faith that keeps me going.

having said that the more this crisis goes on the more my faith is being battered into submission.

 

[peteblue]

Shouldn't you be busy talking to the upper echelons of society about a solution to Covid-19?

Presumably you've never been in a meeting where parts of the agenda aren't pertinent to you...

At any rate it's be on here or participate in Tik Tok dancing.

No mate. I’m retired, all I have to do is teach my granddaughter, organise the reopening of the pub and enjoy life...

 

[Jebus_lives]

I haven't a clue what bubble you are talking about. I'm relaying what a TV personality GP said on a television show, not on YouTube. And all I've said about contact tracing is that they have rushed it through. I never mentioned the word incontrovertible. I'm not sure I can even spell it. But I can tell you the reason it wasn't adopted in the UK from day 1 is because we didn't have the testing capacity. Had we used our wealth of testing capacity within our academia and private industry from the outset, we probably could have TTI and it could possibly have saved tens of thousands of lives.

The various targets the government set may have been stupid, they were certainly testing. Look, I'm not protecting the government here. When this is over you will be able to write a book on things they've got wrong. All I am saying is that the minute scrutiny they are under in everything they do is forcing them against a wall. And when put up against a wall politicians will revert to type and make political decisions, at a time they should be making scientific ones. They are getting almost everything wrong at the moment at a time they need to be getting things 100% right.

They should have said, we're still in stage 4 so we aren't implementing any of the changes we said we were going to make on June 1st. Also the contact tracing system isn't ready and we can't implement changes under stage 3 until that is up and running. So we've decided to ut it back a couple of weeks and review it again. Our media would be applauding any other country that did that, but if we did it here you just know the government would get absolutely pummelled by the media, on social media and very likely by the opposition. It would be portrayed as another failure of the government, another deadline missed, rather than as a sensible decision by a government who is letting science dictate the schedule.

That's the sad reality of just how polarised our country has become. Having said that, the correct decision would have been to postpone the stage 3 and to take the flack that went with it, but they didn't have the balls to do that and I've little doubt that history will show that.

Basically.

One GP is rarely representative of any broader view on a topic.

 

[Jebus_lives]

No mate. I’m retired, all I have to do is teach my granddaughter, organise the reopening of the pub and enjoy life...

Should easily find the time to research the difference between PHE, NHS ( ) and SAGE then...

 

[peteblue]

It's a fair point.

I'll leave the regional updates and strategic health insight to @peteblue and @davek

That should keep us well informed.

Get back to work.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

Get back to work.....

I'll take that as a choice to remain misinformed but confident of your opinion shall I?

 

[COYBL25]

Take a look at the queues for Ikea,people lining up from 5 am,I for the life of me cant work out whats so urgent that you would do that

Given the option, I’d rather spend my time queuing to jump off a cliff into the sea in Dorset and break both my legs in the process.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I have a friend who is shielding and has a new employee set to start (delayed because of lockdown) who is 60 and has diabetes, who has also been shielding.

Both are going back into the office next week. The new starter is relying on public transport to get into the office.

The reason is because the employer doesn't have enough VPN to go around and the director of the team doesn't like working from home and thinks it'll be better for everyone to be back in.

That's shocking and shouldn't be allowed. He should refuse to go back unless he can prove beyond doubt that it is safe for him to do so. Which I'm sure the employer can't do.

Can I just check that we are talking here about the shielded. As far as I'm aware the shielded did not include diabetes sufferers.

 

[Jebus_lives]

That's shocking and shouldn't be allowed. He should refuse to go back unless he can prove beyond doubt that it is safe for him to do so. Which I'm sure the employer can't do.

Can I just check that we are talking here about the shielded. As far as I'm aware the shielded did not include diabetes sufferers.

I included the diabetes as a additional risk factor, not as the reason for shielding..

 

[Barnfred 55]

Basically.

One GP is rarely representative of any broader view on a topic.

I never said it was. I'm just saying where I saw that matter about the people being removed from the shielded list. The fact that she supported it didn't make it right decision.

I'm sorry I responded now

 

[peteblue]

Should easily find the time to research the difference between PHE, NHS ( ) and SAGE then...

There’s loads I could do, but you see I don’t have to. I’m retired and do exactly as I please. I am neither beholden nor obligated to anyone, for anything. It’s a great life, you should try it in a couple of decades......oh, and I do know the difference between them all....

 

[Jebus_lives]

There’s loads I could do, but you see I don’t have to. I’m retired and do exactly as I please. I am neither beholden nor obligated to anyone, for anything. It’s a great life, you should try it in a couple of decades......

Nor factual information and well informed opinions it appears.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I never said it was. I'm just saying where I saw that matter about the people being removed from the shielded list. The fact that she supported it didn't make it right decision.

I'm sorry I responded now

It may be the right decision. She may have been completely correct. However, much like anything, everyone has their own opinion.