Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

What they going to do if they cant find a vaccine - deny a whole generation their education?

 

[BlueStevie35]

What are people's thoughts on the furlough situation? I'm inclined to think that it's akin to an extended redundancy period, with a great many of those jobs that are currently furloughed going to be permanent redundancies eventually, yet I get a sense that many of those on it are treating them like an extended holiday and normal work will resume eventually. Could be a rude awakening when the furlough scheme ends, especially as many still seem to be operating under the belief that this virus will be a single wave and then done.

I’ve no idea what to expect when I go back, as I understood from what Sunak was saying, many people will be on a mix of paid and furloughed work until it’s deemed safe enough, that would be a relief for me as at present my pay is being determined based on what I earnt per month a year ago when I was on lower hours and isn’t being topped up with the extra 20%

 

[Goat]

What they going to do if they cant find a vaccine - deny a whole generation their education?

Lack of education doesn't seem to have done you MUCH harm.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Lack of education doesn't seem to have done you MUCH harm.

2 cool 4 skool me kid

 

[orchard]

Difference is tbf we are 2 weeks behind mainland Europe and still have everywhere largely closed.

Come June 15th our deaths whilst not likely to be as low as those mentioned may drop to around the 100 per day level which is manageable.

And thats the key word - manageable. Lockdown never was the answer in eradicating the virus - it was to keep the infection level/deaths at a managed low rate as much as possible which we are doing.

Think back to the start of lockdown when 700-900 per day were dying and improvement has been made albeit not fast enough.

Pardon? Lightyears perhaps x

 

[RFUS]

What they going to do if they cant find a vaccine - deny a whole generation their education?

Education is so important mate but safety trumps everything. It has to. It's why as teachers we are told that our ultimate priority is safeguarding the welfare of the kids. You can catch up on missed education but once you're dead, well, you're dead. That's without getting into the long term mental effects on children of being rushed back into strange new classrooms and treated like socially distanced lepers or God forbid, the guilt of someone close to a child passing away with Covid from possible contact with them.

There are so many considerations and no measure seems sustainable under scrutiny. I would however, wager that Korea's infrastructure for online learning trumps ours which would help limit missed education. And looking at how they have handled the situation, well, I'm not sure we have any right to judge. I would rather be a Korean or a New Zealander right now, let's put it that way.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Pardon? Lightyears perhaps x

Im sure we were 2 weeks in regards to the virus hence why everyone was calling for lockdown as we were seeing what was happening in Italy, Spain etc.

So its slightly disingenuous to start comparing deaths in the UK to Europe when realistically they are 2 weeks ahead of the curve hence shops, barbers etc being open there and not here.

You get some posters on here who make personal insults to others as they lack the social skills having likely been dragged up themselves to debate sensibly why constantly opening up and then locking down things such as schools etc because of the virus will inevitably damage an entire generation of children in terms of their development and education.

Quite frankly without a vaccine we have to live amongst the virus as best we can - lockdown is and never has been a solution more so a delay tactic but you can only delay for so long without serious collateral damage to peoples livelihoods, the economy and childrens development.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I’ve no idea what to expect when I go back, as I understood from what Sunak was saying, many people will be on a mix of paid and furloughed work until it’s deemed safe enough, that would be a relief for me as at present my pay is being determined based on what I earnt per month a year ago when I was on lower hours and isn’t being topped up with the extra 20%

You're confident that you will go back?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Difference is tbf we are 2 weeks behind mainland Europe and still have everywhere largely closed.

Come June 15th our deaths whilst not likely to be as low as those mentioned may drop to around the 100 per day level which is manageable.

And thats the key word - manageable. Lockdown never was the answer in eradicating the virus - it was to keep the infection level/deaths at a managed low rate as much as possible which we are doing.

Think back to the start of lockdown when 700-900 per day were dying and improvement has been made albeit not fast enough.

I remember when a total of 20,000 deaths was going to be a good result!

 

[Barnfred 55]

The majority of the general public are ignorant bells and I generally vote green these days as both labour and tories are also ignorant bells.

I'd agree with most of that. As regards the general public I'd replace ignorant with selfish

 

[BlueStevie35]

You're confident that you will go back?

I’ve been expecting to be back in June, and honestly I’m dying to go back, the boredom has kicked in the past 2-3 weeks. The worry I have is how they work the shift patterns if we follow the planned opening/closing times that Liverpool One are doing (10-5)

 

[Goat]

Im sure we were 2 weeks in regards to the virus hence why everyone was calling for lockdown as we were seeing what was happening in Italy, Spain etc.

So its slightly disingenuous to start comparing deaths in the UK to Europe when realistically they are 2 weeks ahead of the curve hence shops, barbers etc being open there and not here.

You get some posters on here who make personal insults to others as they lack the social skills having likely been dragged up themselves to debate sensibly why constantly opening up and then locking down things such as schools etc because of the virus will inevitably damage an entire generation of children in terms of their development and education.

Quite frankly without a vaccine we have to live amongst the virus as best we can - lockdown is and never has been a solution more so a delay tactic but you can only delay for so long without serious collateral damage to peoples livelihoods, the economy and childrens development.

We were 2 weeks behind Europe, which gave us an advantage that we didnt take, so now we follow our own path.

Yesterday we had 324 deaths.

2 weeks ago in Europe

Italy 242
Spain 138
France 104
Germany 73

At the start of March we had a chance to save around 50-60 thousand people, but we didnt want to take it.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I remember when a total of 20,000 deaths was going to be a good result!

The tories have made a mess of it mate no doubt - but I think the country now needs to unite and find creative answers to getting life back as normal as possible.

All this cummings crap and squabbling over schools opening isnt creating realistic solutions.

Until the virus either runs its course or we find a vaccine - we have to live with it as best we can - so this is where we need to use our brains and find ways to make places like schools as safe as possible.

My lad is in KS1 and is due to go back in - I don't really have an opinion on the matter - thankfully he has my missus brains and not mine so he does okay in school but for those that struggle it must be hard and will be even harder for them to catch up if they continue to miss out on education.

Im not arsed if they go back June or September - either way its likely the virus will still be around so the Government and scientists need to get their act together and find ways to make it work!

 

[jaycee]

What are people's thoughts on the furlough situation? I'm inclined to think that it's akin to an extended redundancy period, with a great many of those jobs that are currently furloughed going to be permanent redundancies eventually, yet I get a sense that many of those on it are treating them like an extended holiday and normal work will resume eventually. Could be a rude awakening when the furlough scheme ends, especially as many still seem to be operating under the belief that this virus will be a single wave and then done.

It's a strange one,some people are looking at it as an extended break,thinking everything will go back the way it was,so no looking forward,others realise its gardening leave before redundancy,I know people whose aim has been finding the best offers on ale while others are checking how to better employment chances,college,uni,retraining,there is going to be a shock to a lot of people in the coming months/years

 

[orchard]

Im sure we were 2 weeks in regards to the virus hence why everyone was calling for lockdown as we were seeing what was happening in Italy, Spain etc.

So its slightly disingenuous to start comparing deaths in the UK to Europe when realistically they are 2 weeks ahead of the curve hence shops, barbers etc being open there and not here.

You get some posters on here who make personal insults to others as they lack the social skills having likely been dragged up themselves to debate sensibly why constantly opening up and then locking down things such as schools etc because of the virus will inevitably damage an entire generation of children in terms of their development and education.

Quite frankly without a vaccine we have to live amongst the virus as best we can - lockdown is and never has been a solution more so a delay tactic but you can only delay for so long without serious collateral damage to peoples livelihoods, the economy and childrens development.

Like Goat said, we were weeks ahead at one point, failed to act appropriately and accelerated through on our own truly special corona cruise trajectory.

We could have shut down or severely limited the throughput of our borders and effected a good tracking system, once upon a time, but a political choice was made and massive damage has been done as a consequence, to our economy, society, and as you point out, education. Don't kid yourself that this mess was inevitable mate.