Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BrendanGOT]

So hes not even good enough for the incompetent WHO?????????

I just have a firm mistrust of anybody who shares views with Donald Trump.

I'm left and socialist as they come mate but if you refuse to believe things based purely on partisan political reasons then your view is going to be very narrow and probably wrong. Trump is a goon but some of the things he's said recently have been correct, prob as he's being advised by specialists, you can't just discredit things based solely on the reason that it's comes from someone who's not of your political belief system.

Some of the things he's said have also been way wrong and he's been called out on it. If you call people out when they're wrong you've got to have the nuts to say when they're right also.

End of the day the professor is head of medicine in his current post and ex WHO, he's no reason to lie or financial gains to be had from lying. There's other scientists around the world who have been echoing similar words throughout this also.

Just because he's not saying what fits with the media narrative people automatically assume it's tosh or he's a right wing loon. I'd rather believe a scientist over sensationalist stories ran for money and clicks. Bit sad that that's how the world is going.

Anyways believe him or not mate that's entirely your choice, I'd just rather share some good news in here when it's available. The amount of bad news and tosh studies that are shared in here that are always taken as fact and never questioned is astonishing. Yet the good news gets mainly ignored or questioned. Bit mad really, you'd think people would want good news.

 

[Goat]

It is making claims like this “growing evidence that struggles in warmer climates” that a) seem to directly contradict observed outbreaks such as like Manaus which is currently 30C b) doesn’t present any evidence to support the theory that have me questioning his assessment.


I like reading people who take contrary viewpoints but want them to at least back their theories up with a bit of data.

As I said, I like to read his stuff, hes very upbeat and very positive, but theres been a few examples of things hes said that dont tie into things ive read previously, things that have been based on actual science and research.

I get that people dont want to read doom and gloom, I mean I only read the good news tagged stories on Reddit now, but I think its a bit dangerous to post things without foundation when people consider him to be "an expert" and a trusted voice.

 

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A look at Ireland response to testing Vs peak transmission, peak transmission was in the last week and a half in March and better testing infrastructure followed after, goes someway to looking at how Irealands Covid story unfolded and variable in flattening the curve.

 

[Goat]

I'm left and socialist as they come mate but if you refuse to believe things based purely on partisan political reasons then your view is going to be very narrow and probably wrong. Trump is a goon but some of the things he's said recently have been correct, prob as he's being advised by specialists, you can't just discredit things based solely on the reason that it's comes from someone who's not of your political belief system.

Some of the things he's said have also been way wrong and he's been called out on it. If you call people out when they're wrong you've got to have the nuts to say when they're right also.

End of the day the professor is head of medicine in his current post and ex WHO, he's no reason to lie or financial gains to be had from lying. There's other scientists around the world who have been echoing similar words throughout this also.

Just because he's not saying what fits with the media narrative people automatically assume it's tosh or he's a right wing loon. I'd rather believe a scientist over sensationalist stories ran for money and clicks. Bit sad that that's how the world is going.

Anyways believe him or not mate that's entirely your choice, I'd just rather share some good news in here when it's available. The amount of bad news and tosh studies that are shared in here that are always taken as fact and never questioned is astonishing. Yet the good news gets mainly ignored or questioned. Bit mad really, you'd think people would want good news.

Im not saying hes lying mate, hes not doing it for anything other than to spread positive news, but as I say above, a LOT of what he says is his own positive viewpoint and its not always based on facts or evidence.

Im very certain he knows vastly more than me and as I also said I do enjoy his very positive spin on what is a terrible time for most.

 

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Ireland's overall over the last month. Modeled on 5 day averages. We're at below 1% growth rate ahead of lifting lock down marginally on Monday.

 

[BrendanGOT]

It is making claims like this “growing evidence that struggles in warmer climates” that a) seem to directly contradict observed outbreaks such as Manaus which is currently 30C b) doesn’t present any evidence to support the theory that have me questioning his assessment.


I like reading people who take contrary viewpoints but want them to at least back their theories up with a bit of data.

He went on to back it up with this in the comments

Why the hot weather may be cutting coronavirus cases

Public Health England modelling suggests that fewer than 24 people a day are now becoming infected with Covid-19 in London

www.telegraph.co.uk

He does usually back up what he says if he's saying it's factual and does say when it's his opinion.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Have you tried to take 1000 kids temp Bruce?

I will volunteer you for that job!

The reason I asked is because that seems to be a central part of the strategy in many Asian countries, where children have gone back to school. They are checked for their 'cleanliness' at the gate. Similarly, it seems to be a central strategy for the air industry to re-open, and has, as I mentioned, been used by many employers (Amazon alone claim to do 100,000 such tests per day) to try and maintain safe workplaces. If teachers were so interested in getting schools open, then I'm surprised it hasn't been looked at.

Off the top of my head the biggest issue would probably be getting them back home again. The vast majority of secondary school pupils arrive at school without a parent so from a safeguarding point of view, you can't just send them back the way they came. Additionally how do we get the tech to do this? Are there cheap and reliable solutions for the kind of numbers schools would need to deal with?

Forgive me, but I thought in this initial wave we were talking about the youngest years in primary school? It seems unlikely that they'll be packed off to school on their own. With regards to the technology, without labouring the point, schools have had two months of lockdown to figure this kind of thing out. What on earth have they been doing?

From a scientific point of view I've read mixed things about temperature tests as a high temperature only presents in the symptomatic for a fraction of the time they are infectious. That is not to say it wouldn't still be helpful, just like having PPE. But the Government say we don't need PPE either....

I wouldn't claim that it's perfect by any means, and as you say, it mostly seems to be effective at spotting those with feverish symptoms rather than those who are asymptomatic. It also wouldn't be something that is done in isolation, as Asian schools seem to do a few cleanliness things when kids enter the building, and staff wear masks. I'm sure they try and maintain as much social distancing as is practical at the same time. I didn't think we were trying to get to a situation whereby there is zero risk, as such a scenario simply doesn't exist for any of us until a vaccine is widely distributed, which will be a very long time. I presume we're not planning on binning off the next 18 months of schooling because it won't be completely safe?

 

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Hospitalisations in the UK by region:

 

[Goat]

The reason I asked is because that seems to be a central part of the strategy in many Asian countries, where children have gone back to school. They are checked for their 'cleanliness' at the gate. Similarly, it seems to be a central strategy for the air industry to re-open, and has, as I mentioned, been used by many employers (Amazon alone claim to do 100,000 such tests per day) to try and maintain safe workplaces. If teachers were so interested in getting schools open, then I'm surprised it hasn't been looked at.



Forgive me, but I thought in this initial wave we were talking about the youngest years in primary school? It seems unlikely that they'll be packed off to school on their own. With regards to the technology, without labouring the point, schools have had two months of lockdown to figure this kind of thing out. What on earth have they been doing?



I wouldn't claim that it's perfect by any means, and as you say, it mostly seems to be effective at spotting those with feverish symptoms rather than those who are asymptomatic. It also wouldn't be something that is done in isolation, as Asian schools seem to do a few cleanliness things when kids enter the building, and staff wear masks. I'm sure they try and maintain as much social distancing as is practical at the same time. I didn't think we were trying to get to a situation whereby there is zero risk, as such a scenario simply doesn't exist for any of us until a vaccine is widely distributed, which will be a very long time. I presume we're not planning on binning off the next 18 months of schooling because it won't be completely safe?

Yeah I saw that thing with them checking the kids in Asia, not to be sterotypical, but the Asian children look far more well behaved then the kids in this country would be.

There would be carnage Bruce.

 

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UK daily mortality trend based on DHSC figures.

 

[roydo]

Hospitalisations in the UK by region:

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We havnt really had it in the south west. Which bear in mind includes Cheltenham and Gloucester, (Gold Cup), is a bit mad.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yeah I saw that thing with them checking the kids in Asia, not to be sterotypical, but the Asian children look far more well behaved then the kids in this country would be.

There would be carnage Bruce.

Of course, and I've said a few times that culturally things are very different in Europe to Asia, it just strikes me as odd that it's not being mentioned at all in this debate. It seems a no brainer to try and maintain social distancing within the building, so why not try and get an, albeit imperfect, understanding of who might be infected before they even enter.

 

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Testing Vs Confirmed case figures in the UK according to NHS figures.

 

[RFUS]

The reason I asked is because that seems to be a central part of the strategy in many Asian countries, where children have gone back to school. They are checked for their 'cleanliness' at the gate. Similarly, it seems to be a central strategy for the air industry to re-open, and has, as I mentioned, been used by many employers (Amazon alone claim to do 100,000 such tests per day) to try and maintain safe workplaces. If teachers were so interested in getting schools open, then I'm surprised it hasn't been looked at.



Forgive me, but I thought in this initial wave we were talking about the youngest years in primary school? It seems unlikely that they'll be packed off to school on their own. With regards to the technology, without labouring the point, schools have had two months of lockdown to figure this kind of thing out. What on earth have they been doing?



I wouldn't claim that it's perfect by any means, and as you say, it mostly seems to be effective at spotting those with feverish symptoms rather than those who are asymptomatic. It also wouldn't be something that is done in isolation, as Asian schools seem to do a few cleanliness things when kids enter the building, and staff wear masks. I'm sure they try and maintain as much social distancing as is practical at the same time. I didn't think we were trying to get to a situation whereby there is zero risk, as such a scenario simply doesn't exist for any of us until a vaccine is widely distributed, which will be a very long time. I presume we're not planning on binning off the next 18 months of schooling because it won't be completely safe?

As Goat says, there's a lot that can be learned from other countries but also we can't assume that something that works there works here. Asian schools have undoubtedly better discipline, Danish schools have smaller class sizes and so on. That is not to say we can't utilise successful techniques but I think we always have to be mindful of the state of discipline and overcrowding in the average British school.

Yes my point about safeguarding wouldn't apply necessarily to Primary schools, but still, trying to temperature check hundreds of little kids sounds like a logistical nightmare. A much bigger one than providing PPE. So if we're not in a position to do that, then I'm not sure how temperature checks could happen any time soon. But again, as a teacher, I'd welcome every type of protective measure. There are no downsides to temperature checking, just obstacles that would have to be overcome.

 

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Hospilisation & ICE admission trends for the UK, NHS figures: