Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Neiler]

I doubt there are many people who think there's no risk for children, just that it's relatively very low. People on both sides of the argument who insist in dealing in absolutes are bloody annoying.

Perhaps mate, i think we largely though, countries have been very gung ho about planning to open up schools with data and risk still emerging, equally things like group sports going forward, that the vast majority will be minors. We tend to talk of children hugging their grandparents with protecting the grandparents in mind. While there may not be an absolute dismissal there is an argument there that the risks may be minimised. An argument rather then an absolute as you say.

 

[Jebus_lives]

And what is the impact if the primary carer(s) catch the virus from the child, they do not survive and the kid ends up going through the foster care system.

Possibly yes.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Covid is evolving to, it wants to survive.

It's not sentient mate, it doesn't sit in someone's lungs thinking of the best way to survive.

However, under normal circumstances, it's best chance of surviving is to mutate to something less deadly. Unfortunately, there's no indication of that happening, or being likely to happen.

 

[Neiler]

It's not sentient mate, it doesn't sit in someone's lungs thinking of the best way to survive.

However, under normal circumstances, it's best chance of surviving is to mutate to something less deadly. Unfortunately, there's no indication of that happening, or being likely to happen.

There was some anecdotal reports i think in the States last week that a strain may have evolved and was becoming less virile, while also there was some reports of mutation from Wuhan and that the strain that hit Europe was more virile then the one in the east. I think both hypothesis's required more study though.

I know people will take that with a pinch of salt given the sources mind.

 

[Jebus_lives]

How can 1 disease cause another seperate?

This COVID seems a freak virus in everything from its effects to wide range of symptoms.

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[The binman chronicles]

20 odd yoyo for a trendy face covering. Its going to be the thing.

The yoof are well ahead of the game as they've been wearing face coverings for eons. They can't believe their luck that what was keeping them from going into shopping centres and alike is now compulsory.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Perhaps mate, i think we largely though, countries have been very gung ho about planning to open up schools with data and risk still emerging, equally things like group sports going forward, that the vast majority will be minors. We tend to talk of children hugging their grandparents with protecting the grandparents in mind. While there may not be an absolute dismissal there is an argument there that the risks may be minimised. An argument rather then an absolute as you say.

Even with the few cases of the Kawasaki like disease, the overwhelming evidence is that children are at very low risk of anything serious. You're right in that that might change, but I'm not sure it's practical for everyone to worry too much about what might happen to a very few kids ( awful though it would be for their families ).

If we could identify which kids were at risk, it would be different, but it would likely take months, if not longer, to get to the root of the issue of this Kawasaki like disease, so, meanwhile we have to balance the risks. At one end, you keep kids out of school and don't let them circulate outside their household, possibly for the rest of the calendar year, at the other end, they go back to full classrooms in June.

The answer lies somewhere in the middle, and the answer can't please everyone.

 

[Neiler]

Even with the few cases of the Kawasaki like disease, the overwhelming evidence is that children are at very low risk of anything serious. You're right in that that might change, but I'm not sure it's practical for everyone to worry too much about what might happen to a very few kids ( awful though it would be for their families ).

If we could identify which kids were at risk, it would be different, but it would likely take months, if not longer, to get to the root of the issue of this Kawasaki like disease, so, meanwhile we have to balance the risks. At one end, you keep kids out of school and don't let them circulate outside their household, possibly for the rest of the calendar year, at the other end, they go back to full classrooms in June.

The answer lies somewhere in the middle, and the answer can't please everyone.

Like most things mate, i think its a risk assessment and mitigation, every country will have a different approach, while parents im sure will have an opinion themselves. I think we have a responsibility for children as obviously they dont have the developmental capability of weighing up risks and mitigating them as we do. So id be very gentle and certain when it comes to them.

I was scanning through some of the posts last night on opening up schools and the biggest risk identified was the risk to teachers of returning as opposed to the students - i will disclaim that though as i was scanning posts and not reading them all but that is what i took. Maybe fairly or unfairly the risks to children at the very least is something we need to understand better, in our planning.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

a friend in Hamburg tells me it is very wrong to resume the league, even behind closed doors, because fans will instictively get together while watching the games, he has a point. Even though I am joyful that I get to see some football...

 

[davek]

Big question for Ireland is why are the number of deaths on those over 80+ higher in comparison to countries like Italy, Spain, Canada and South Korea who had worse outbreaks and health systems were more under pressure then our own.

Subjectively, do older people in Ireland have more comorbidities or did we not protect our residential care enough, is it decsion making in terms of access to acute care and clinical trajectory. Else wise it could be the reporting of the Data, we are reporting absolutely everything. Time for reflection and lesson lerned as we entered the next phase.

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The comparison with S.Korea and Canada was always going to be a stretch for any western European country. But in over 80s, is it the case that in Italy and Spain more are looked after in extended family units than in Ireland, and care home deaths have brought the Irish fatality rate above them in that age group?

 

[Billy Dean]

a friend in Hamburg tells me it is very wrong to resume the league, even behind closed doors, because fans will instictively get together while watching the games, he has a point. Even though I am joyful that I get to see some football...

I feel the same mate, wouldn't mind watching it but at the same time don't think it's right that they're doing it. They're also not showing it free to air so I think people are bound to congregate in some ways or others

 

[Catfish Blues]

... and the biggest risk identified was the risk to teachers of returning as opposed to the students

It'd be very hard, if not nigh on impossible, to make an argument against that being the case.

... the risks to children at the very least is something we need to understand better, in our planning.

That, I agree with.

 

[davek]

The yoof are well ahead of the game as they've been wearing face coverings for eons. They can't believe their luck that what was keeping them from going into shopping centres and alike is now compulsory.

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Why would you pose for a photo you cant be recognised in?

Lol.

 

[davek]

a friend in Hamburg tells me it is very wrong to resume the league, even behind closed doors, because fans will instictively get together while watching the games, he has a point. Even though I am joyful that I get to see some football...

TBF, I think German's are more disciplined than some of the rabble we have here.

If Liverpool were playing today behind closed doors it'd be a matter of honour to become infected, and they'd be outside Anfield licking the padlocks.

 

[Neiler]

The comparison with S.Korea and Canada was always going to be a stretch for any western European country. But in over 80s, is it the case that in Italy and Spain more are looked after in extended family units than in Ireland, and care home deaths have brought the Irish fatality rate above them in that age group?

Could be one of the reasons mate, id be reluctant to make definitive judgement on it. Anecdotally i think older people are more likely to be at home or living in a multi generational environment in Italy or Spain then in Ireland, so it could be a higher risk in the group environment of residential care in Ireland certainly, or contributions from some of the other reasons i mentioned. Certainly a question for reflection for us here.

What struck me was comparatively how we were tracking the average up to the 70-79 bracket in our care and then saw a massive jump when we look at our care of the 80-89 group comparatively. Lots to questions for us to reflect, analyse and to be answered there.