Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

BBC News - Coronavirus may never go away, World Health Organization warns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52643682
Worrying scenario.
Pretty sure in the future the WHO s Tedros Adhanoms name will become a byword for procrastination and self interest.

The wife spoke to three doctor clients yesterday, and they all believe a second wave is inevitable (not because the Tories are murderererers, just because it's how these viruses behave). This is a long haul, not a sprint. One of those doctors had been seconded to critical at a major London hospital, and she said things actually weren't too bad. I know this thread isn't really for any kind of good news, but I took that as a positive.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

More likely due to the number of operations and procedures that have been halted due to the need for hospital capacity to cope with the virus, or people not going into hospitals for fear of contracting the virus. On the flipside, of course, there may be fewer deaths on roads and other health-related advantages of the lockdown, but the last few months will have had an impact on non-covid issues.

Matt Hancock the health secretary in the commons in January "The UK is ready to respond appropriately to any cases of Covid-19 that emerge, the UK are one of the first countries that have developed a world leading test for the new coronavirus".

We were prepared they said, don't worry we have the tests ready to deal with this virus...really?, why were we sending OAP's back to care homes untested?, 10,000 care home deaths spike, no cause of death recorded?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Matt Hancock the health secretary in the commons in January "The UK is ready to respond appropriately to any cases of Covid-19 that emerge, the UK are one of the first countries that have developed a world leading test for the new coronavirus".

We were prepared they said, don't worry we have the tests ready to deal with this virus...really?, why were we sending OAP's back to care homes untested?, 10,000 care home deaths spike, no cause of death recorded?

Do what you like mate. You want to think the government are all murderers, so if it helps you to pass the time, go ahead. I'm not remotely interested in debating politics with you. You asked why excess deaths might not be all due to covid. I told you some possible explanations.

Hopefully you're aware that testing isn't the same as a cure. We have no cure, and all the treatment in hospitals does is keep the individual alive long enough for their own immune system to fight the virus off. If it can't, there isn't much to be done except try and limit the spread of the virus from that person. Older and unhealthier people have weaker immune systems, which is where the problems lie.

 

[mill]

https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/p...mes-and-countries-responsiveness-to-covid-19/

Autocracies imposed sterner mobility measures and their contact tracing apps are more invasive of privacy than in democracies, yet in democracies mobility declined by 20% more. Trust is key.

did you read the whole thing?

because it’s not actually asking trust is key.

It’s saying that lockdown policies are more effective in democracies than autocracies.

that democratic nations are more elastic to policy restrictions.

ie for the same level of policy restriction, mobility fell more in democracies than in autocracies.

it’s not saying that more stringent measures are less effective.

actually the conclusion would be that if our policy had hsve been more stringent we would have been much more effective at containment then respective autocracies.

I’m not sure ‘trust is key’ is the right conclusion.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

From the Telegraph, no less.View attachment 86617

Starmer is absolutely holding them to account, he's not screaming and shouting, he's pointing out their failings and they have no reply.

I'm telling you now, there has been a change in the commons, not one Tory is happy to take on Starmer, you can see why he was a top lawyer, he puts together compelling arguments.

 

[PhilM]

Starmer is absolutely holding them to account, he's not screaming and shouting, he's pointing out their failings and they have no reply.

I'm telling you now, there has been a change in the commons, not one Tory is happy to take on Starmer, you can see why he was a top lawyer, he puts together compelling arguments.

I'm not a Labour supporter, but I've been quite impressed by him up to now for all the above.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Do what you like mate. You want to think the government are all murderers, so if it helps you to pass the time, go ahead. I'm not remotely interested in debating politics with you. You asked why excess deaths might not be all due to covid. I told you some possible explanations.

Hopefully you're aware that testing isn't the same as a cure. We have no cure, and all the treatment in hospitals does is keep the individual alive long enough for their own immune system to fight the virus off. If it can't, there isn't much to be done except try and limit the spread of the virus from that person. Older and unhealthier people have weaker immune systems, which is where the problems lie.

I want them to admit they got it wrong, admit when they said we were prepared we weren't and they were caught with their pants down.

5 COBRA meetings the PM missed, the most important COBRA meetings he'll ever have the chance to attend he couldn't be arsed, because he doesn't do weekends and was on holiday.

It's the way they pass the book and try wriggle out of any responsibility for the way it's been handled that sticks in the throat.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

did you read the whole thing?

because it’s not actually asking trust is key.

It’s saying that lockdown policies are more effective in democracies than autocracies.

that democratic nations are more elastic to policy restrictions.

ie for the same level of policy restriction, mobility fell more in democracies than in autocracies.

it’s not saying that more stringent measures are less effective.

actually the conclusion would be that if our policy had hsve been more stringent we would have been much more effective at containment then respective autocracies.

I’m not sure ‘trust is key’ is the right conclusion.

Lockdown has worked best in democracies when trust is high in public institutions. The same finding from a previous study into the Ebola response in Africa http://odube.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Ebola_Sierra_Leone.pdf

Obviously trust isn't the only factor, and they talk about many of the cultural things I've raised previously, but if you want to find something to argue about then yes, I was completely wrong, you were completely right. Hopefully you'll be ably employed moving money around today and won't have the time to have silly arguments on the internet.

 

[zzr45]

I want them to admit they got it wrong, admit when they said we were prepared we weren't and they were caught with their pants down.

5 COBRA meetings the PM missed, the most important COBRA meetings he'll ever have the chance to attend he couldn't be arsed, because he doesn't do weekends and was on holiday.

It's the way they pass the book and try wriggle out of any responsibility for the way it's been handled that sticks in the throat.

How could they be prepared when it was made in a lab?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I want them to admit they got it wrong, admit when they said we were prepared we weren't and they were caught with their pants down.

5 COBRA meetings the PM missed, the most important COBRA meetings he'll ever have the chance to attend he couldn't be arsed, because he doesn't do weekends and was on holiday.

It's the way they pass the book and try wriggle out of any responsibility for the way it's been handled that sticks in the throat.

Why the [Poor language removed] are you making that point to me? You think he's sat next to me? "Yeah, Mr Hancock, this random internet weirdo wants you to say sorry to him" "What's his address? [Poor language removed] knows mate, I don't even know his name, but he's right about everything, all the time"

 

[mill]

Lockdown has worked best in democracies when trust is high in public institutions. The same finding from a previous study into the Ebola response in Africa http://odube.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Ebola_Sierra_Leone.pdf

Obviously trust isn't the only factor, and they talk about many of the cultural things I've raised previously, but if you want to find something to argue about then yes, I was completely wrong, you were completely right. Hopefully you'll be ably employed moving money around today and won't have the time to have silly arguments on the internet.

mate I wasn’t having a personal dig. I just wasn’t sure that the conclusion should be ‘trust is key’.

I completely agree that trust in institutions is important. The obedience factor is quite interesting and something I’ve come across before (have you read Malcom gladwell’s books?).

still, I’m not sure my reply warranted a personal dig to be honest.

 

[Kurt.]

There’s a difference between bending the truth and outright lying Kurt. Both the MP for Ynys Mon and Berry have said he’s been on the island for two months and it’s written on public record.

Unless the locals have been watching his property I’m not sure how they can prove otherwise?

Like I say we’ll see because if he has lied and been travelling to and from he’d have been breaking the law and it will come out.

Just very uneasy at the way people are willing to abuse somebody on Twitter based on hearsay. I hope it doesn’t come out that his wife is seriously ill for their sake.

 

[tsubaki]

Lockdown has worked best in democracies when trust is high in public institutions. The same finding from a previous study into the Ebola response in Africa http://odube.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Ebola_Sierra_Leone.pdf

A shame the Government have been determined to destroy such trust here, then - with yesterday’s savage insistence that the advice didn’t say what Starmer, the gov website and (remarkably) their rebuttal to Starmer said that it did being a no doubt temporary low.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Why the [Poor language removed] are you making that point to me? You think he's sat next to me? "Yeah, Mr Hancock, this random internet weirdo wants you to say sorry to him" "What's his address? [Poor language removed] knows mate, I don't even know his name, but he's right about everything, all the time"

Because you are scrambling to make excuses, trying to find reasons why the likes of Hancock and Johnson are not to blame.

You replied to me didn't you, don't bother, I don't want to debate with you either.

You are a massive Tory, you defend them with gusto on here any chance you get, but it's not gone unnoticed you've been rather lacking in support recently, because you can't defend the indefensible can you.

 

[Brennan]

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Boris announced the lockdown on the 23rd of March Kurt. After the dates in the stuff you posted.

The MPs comments stated quite clearly they haven’t left the island since the lockdown was implemented, but that they have been living on the island since February.

Apparently his wife gave birth in Feb and she’s since been in hospital ?

Like I said, mob rule.