Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

Me, Naive, jeez fella, wake up will ya and change the record! You been found out on this one, even asking for the figures earlier!

It's a proven fact re the figures, yes I'm sure govt and authorities manage the figures on everything but that fits your "murderer" agenda on this but you are WRONG on this.

NHS England - organisation created by the Tories. They churn out statistics to suit their masters.

I say again: two lowest death total days since end of March were announced when we went from 'stay at home' to 'stay alert...get to work'.

Give your head a wobble if you think that was a coincidence.

 

[davek]

It’s on the graph....

Name them.

 

[peteblue]

You're dealing with government organisations that are being manipulated.

But not one single whistleblower ?...really ? I can accept that because the data does not automatically flow into the daily number and is purely from the previous 24 hrs then the picture can be be skewed, slightly. But over a seven day period, which they are measuring against the numbers can only ever be out by a small %. The weekend and bank holiday numbers are almost certainly because people are away from the office/hospital.......

 

[davek]

But not one single whistleblower ?...really ? I can accept that because the data does not automatically flow into the daily number and is purely from the previous 24 hrs then the picture can be be skewed, slightly. But over a seven day period, which they are measuring against the numbers can only ever be out by a small %. The weekend and bank holiday numbers are almost certainly because people are away from the office/hospital.......

...yes, that'll be it.

 

[peteblue]

Name them.

Janet and John....otherwise known as reporting day May 10th and 11th, representing May 9th and 10th.....

 

[Nymzee]

Absolute chaos in here now. Sorry to see someone lose their marbles.

 

[navidson]

600 didn't die in one day.

Which has been the problem all along in the way this is reported. Those 600 could stretch back to march , they aren't in 24 hours. It's how many have been registered.

For all we know 5 people could have died in the last 24 hours, but 300 of them were 3 weeks ago, for example

44 apparently

 

[navidson]

 

[tremont]

Has no one else noticed the figures for new infections are always higher on Fridays? This is especially the case when the weather is decent. It seems a deliberate ploy to worry the public just before the weekend. It is no coincidence that the highest new case figure was on Good Friday - 8681 with 980 deaths. This beat the second highest new case figure by 2480 (also a Friday when the weather was nice - 1 May). The third and seventh highest new case figure were the Wednesday and Thursday leading up to VE Day - Coincidence? Nah.

This government have abused their power here. We were originally told the lockdown was to protect the NHS, and that we needed to buy time in order for it to create the capacity for the expected overwhelming amount of cases (That didn't happen). We now have the Nightingale hospitals, and have enough ICU wards. The ridiculous scenarios predicted by Neil Ferguson have been discredited (As he has himself). So why are we still in lockdown?

It really doesn't matter what they say the plan is now - This is an abuse of power. Saying it is for our own good, doesn't cut it. They still don't have the right to do this.

 

[Kenshin]

44 apparently

I have no idea how many , just used that as an example

44 isnt 600 though which is what I've always said has been the portrayal. 7 weeks ago sure, the numbers were in real time which was horrible. But now they are potentially weeks behind , which makes that 600 sound bigger and scarier than it should be reported as.

 

[Nymzee]

Has no one else noticed the figures for new infections are always higher on Fridays? This is especially the case when the weather is decent. It seems a deliberate ploy to worry the public just before the weekend. It is no coincidence that the highest new case figure was on Good Friday - 8681 with 980 deaths. This beat the second highest new case figure by 2480 (also a Friday when the weather was nice - 1 May). The third and seventh highest new case figure were the Wednesday and Thursday leading up to VE Day - Coincidence? Nah.

This government have abused their power here. We were originally told the lockdown was to protect the NHS, and that we needed to buy time in order for it to create the capacity for the expected overwhelming amount of cases (That didn't happen). We now have the Nightingale hospitals, and have enough ICU wards. The ridiculous scenarios predicted by Neil Ferguson have been discredited (As he has himself). So why are we still in lockdown?

It really doesn't matter what they say the plan is now - This is an abuse of power. Saying it is for our own good, doesn't cut it. They still don't have the right to do this.

Shut up mate. They’re the government they have all the rights.

 

[Death]

What’s going on in here then?

 

[peteblue]

What’s going on in here then?

Not a lot.....

 

[Brennan]

Has no one else noticed the figures for new infections are always higher on Fridays? This is especially the case when the weather is decent. It seems a deliberate ploy to worry the public just before the weekend. It is no coincidence that the highest new case figure was on Good Friday - 8681 with 980 deaths. This beat the second highest new case figure by 2480 (also a Friday when the weather was nice - 1 May). The third and seventh highest new case figure were the Wednesday and Thursday leading up to VE Day - Coincidence? Nah.

This government have abused their power here. We were originally told the lockdown was to protect the NHS, and that we needed to buy time in order for it to create the capacity for the expected overwhelming amount of cases (That didn't happen). We now have the Nightingale hospitals, and have enough ICU wards. The ridiculous scenarios predicted by Neil Ferguson have been discredited (As he has himself). So why are we still in lockdown?

It really doesn't matter what they say the plan is now - This is an abuse of power. Saying it is for our own good, doesn't cut it. They still don't have the right to do this.

And there we have it.

We’ve now gone from “The tories are forcing people back into freedom to their death” to “The Tories are abusing their power with this lockdown”.

Not only are they suppressing deaths on the weekend to make Boris look good, they are also exaggerating cases on a Friday to make the situation look bad.

What a thread.

 

[Neiler]

I don’t have any data to back it up with though so just speculation on my part. Iirc @Neiler is in this line of work and can give more informed opinion.

I suspect you both have the right of it, 85+ would be a small demographic in the general population, pro rata per demographic of hospitalisation would be an interesting comparison, I suspect that might tell a different story.

You would have to assume those with significant comorbidities may be in residential or supported care, a standard practice on admission would be a discussion in regard to ceiling of care and future wishes. Many of these services would encourage a palliative approach and have a skill set around it.

I think in some ways hospitalisation of this demographic is residential care does present difficult ethical dilemmas, a DNR may be in place, but was it put in place with a pandemic in mind - probably not, does it matter if the end result could be incubation and likely fatality, would there be any chance recovery or would transfer to acute care promote an evasive uncomfortable pathway to dying. The opinion, choices of the patient & family all need to be weighed as well, and good clinical assessment decision making, providing the time is there of course & often isn’t. This would all be weighed in a large cohort of this particular demographic and perhaps inhibits the pathway to acute care, compare to a younger demographic.