Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[marnie]

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Absolute disgrace,the lot of them.

 

[Prevenger17]

Without doubt we have screwed up. Cabinet, Civil Service, NHS, PHE, CMO, CSA, the lot of them...from PPE to sending old folk back to the care homes to reinfect others, it hasn’t shown up the U.K. in a good light. But we are where we are and how we come out at the end is what counts. This disease and it’s effects have either been grossly underrated, by government and most of us on here, or grossly overrated, by Ferguson and the wild eyed media. We need to calm down a bit, stop trying to score political points, get the media and its outlets to behave a bit more responsibly, stop this ‘murderer’ nonsense and use what we have now learnt to deal with this virus. It’s worth remembering that no one, not even Germany, truly understood what was happening. The world knows a little bit more now, so we shall have to see how it goes......

I agree with most of that tbf. But I wouldn't blame people for feeling that the current UK government need a bit of a push to do anything, they've been unbelievably lethargic in their response.

 

[RAFUH]

Can antibody testing deliver on promises to lift the lockdown?

As hundreds of test kits claim to offer accurate results on previous Covid-19 infection, scientists around the world are working hard to assess their accuracy

www.theguardian.com

This is a good explanation of why antibody testing is not yet where It needs to be

 

[Minimeister]

You're overlooking the fact that austerity had to be brought in due to Labour putting the country in debt.

In that case the deaths in this country has been caused by the Tories. Not like you'll be bothered though eh.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

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incredible

 

[ForeverBlue92]

incredible

Or as Gus Poyet would say

Increyable

 

[Catfish Blues]

Because the government should have clamped down properly as did France and Spain.

I agree we should have locked down earlier and harder, but putting France and Spain forward as shining examples of controlling the virus seems a bit bizarre when tens of thousands have died in those countries.

Greece, Denmark, Norway, Germany and Ireland are far, far better examples of countries who are miles ahead of us in dealing with the virus.

 

[tsubaki]

I agree we should have locked down earlier and harder, but putting France and Spain forward as shining examples of controlling the virus seems a bit bizarre when tens of thousands have died in those countries.

Greece, Denmark, Norway, Germany and Ireland are far, far better examples of countries who are miles ahead of us in dealing with the virus.

TBF France might be a bit of an outlier in that it appears to have handled this relatively well, but got a savage death rate anyway.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Angela Giuffrida: Antibody testing at a hospital in Lodi, the province in Lombardy where the first domestic transmission of coronavirus was detected in Italy, has shown that 20% of health workers had contracted the illness without knowing.

The hospital, where Italy’s ‘Patient 1’ was treated, is the first to complete serological tests on all of its 2,243 staff as part of a region-wide programme. In addition to the 296 staff who had tested positive for the virus up until 8 May, 77 had been infected but showed no symptoms.

The antibody testing programme got underway across Lombardy on 23 April, with 33,306 people so far tested, of which 25,331 are healthcare workers.

Lombardy is the region of Italy most severely affected by the virus, accounting for almost half of the country’s 30,395 fatalities.

So only 17% of healthcare staff overall have detectable antibodies even in a hard hit region. Pretty consistent with the data from the other article you posted on tests in New York, Germany and China. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ting-deliver-on-promises-to-lift-the-lockdown

declared that there was no evidence that current infection statistics are only the “tip of a grand iceberg” and suggested that the virus had only affected a very small proportion of communities. He cited a study done in Guangdong province where 320,000 swab samples were retested for Covid-19, with less than 0.5% turning out to be positive.
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Other early serosurveys conducted in New York City and the German town of Gangelt have found much higher prevalences ranging from 14-21%.

So either the serological tests are really inaccurate, or the antibodies (and any immunity they provide) doesn’t last for long or more likely we still have large % of the population that is vulnerable to being infected even in areas where the outbreak has been bad.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Go and research what the national debt was at the point the WORLDWIDE CRASH happened in 2008, and how much Labour had increased the national debt by during their previous 11 years of Govt.

Then when you’ve got that figure. See what the national debt was in 2010 when the Tories got back in, and then what it is now.

When you’ve done that, come back to me.

Thanks.

FLHD just gave @whiteshadow a total paddling there. I’m scared to watch.

 

[spectateur]

TBF France might be a bit of an outlier in that it appears to have handled this relatively well, but got a savage death rate anyway.

From the start, France counted ALL deaths involving C19. Hospitals, EPIHAD care homes and in home care.

 

[zzr45]

So either the serological tests are really inaccurate, or the antibodies (and any immunity they provide) doesn’t last for long or more likely we still have large % of the population that is vulnerable to being infected even in areas where the outbreak has been bad.

Honestly, I feel like the tests are far more inaccurate than has been demonstrated thus far. Obviously better to err on the side of caution but things like the reinfections in SK that were proven to be defective tests does raise some questions.

 

[Goat]

So only 17% of healthcare staff overall have detectable antibodies even in a hard hit region. Pretty consistent with the data from the other article you posted on tests in New York, Germany and China. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ting-deliver-on-promises-to-lift-the-lockdown


So either the serological tests are really inaccurate, or the antibodies (and any immunity they provide) doesn’t last for long or more likely we still have large % of the population that is vulnerable to being infected even in areas where the outbreak has been bad.

We should consider natural immunity at this point also.

 

[Kenshin]

Ridiculous

How can people seriously look at this and blame the government

That is people being idiots

Showing us up as a nation of idiots.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Honestly, I feel like the tests are far more inaccurate than has been demonstrated thus far. Obviously better to err on the side of caution but things like the reinfections in SK that were proven to be defective tests does raise some questions.

Agree with your point and with @MarcelsGoats - just think far too many people are not doing that “err on side of caution” bit and assuming that the virus has been widespread and therefore they are OK to take less precautions.