Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[orly]

I've seen stuff in work. Face masks are likely to be needed in shops, restaurants, public transport etc.

Correct

 

[Barnfred 55]

Mortality rate in Belgium if you end up in the hospital is at 40%. That's pretty nuts.

That's even more of a wow.

Whilst it is interesting to know what the death rates in hospitals are, I can fully understand why any government would not want such information to be kept out of public domain when the rates are so high. People will be scared to go into hospital and that's the last thing we want or need.

Whilst I'm a firm believer in honesty is the best policy, sometimes full disclosure can be a bad thing too.

 

[Barnfred 55]

That would be my worry mate. I have got the worst gag reflex in the world, it's always been an absolute nightmare for a doctor to try and get a swab in my mouth, they wouldn't even have to get a swab fully in my mouth before I'm gagging, so doing it myself, I'm not so sure I could especially the extremes you have to go to with this test.

Luckily I've never had to take regular medication other than the odd course of antibiotics. I'm taking daily tablets for hay fever at the moment, and despite them being tiny I still have to chew them into smaller pieces before I can swallow them.lol

God knows what I'd be like with a bloody big spatula stuck down my throat.

 

[mill]

Are people asked to disclose their ethnicity when they go into hospital?. I'm fortunate enough never to have had to go into hospital other than for a few stitches in A&E, but on many occasions I have accompanied family who have been taken in, and not once do I recall anyone being asked to confirm ethnicity. Having said that I would have had more pressing concerns on my mind at the time so could easily be wrong.

It’ll be on their medical records if they’ve agreed to disclosure.
People won’t be guessing anyway.

 

[Neiler]

Would much prefer to see local testing centres set up where professionals are conducting the tests. Something like this will be needed for contact tracing anyway as speed is of the essence in this working properly.

Its crossed my mind, but im presuming mail testing was the quickest way for the UK to set up an infrastructure and balance resources. Perhaps maybe a joint approach of the mail testing and centers locally might be the way forward. We have testing and contact tracing teams wholly over here. I suspect there are different challenges for the UK though, as we have a smaller population and country and not quite as big as an island.

The concern i have with mail testing is the efficacy for the reasons i mentioned earlier mate, in terms of people doing it themselves. My second concern is the timeline. How long does it take, presuming Joe Public has done it properly 1. Get a test after having symptoms, 2. Post it back. 3. Have it processed at labs, 3. Have it analysed. 4. Get the results. 5 Contact trace. Seems like a long time line to me and an inefficient way of contact tracing and identifying clusters (more then three linked cases).

For example, if i work in health care, i work on a ward were covid is present, i develop symptoms, i apply for a test, it arrives three days later, i do the test, i send it off, three days later it arrives at a lab, two days later its processed by the team, the results are recorded, the next day i get the results. You might be touching two weeks beginning to end, i might have recovered, gone to hospital. But critically i may live with my partner, parents, have been to work in a hospital, down the shops etc. while i have been a symptomatic during incubatition or - i may have infected others in the intervening periods over the lag, the whole process and timeline doesn't seem to lend itself to speedy contact tracing or shutting down clusters the same way immediate testing would in a testing center.

But im sure this has all be weighed and any testing system is better then none, the scale if it comes of is impressive, but testing also has to be purposeful beyond numbers. What is the reason you are testing? and What are you trying to achieve? - these are key questions. Is it to see how many people have the virus representativly, is it a knee jerk political seen to be doing - also keep their political promise during the crisis., or is it to shut down clusters and turn the tide in the community - speed and efficacy are the key factor in that. So its an interesting question as to why the UK government decided that this was the best approach for them and what were the reasons for that.

 

[Billy Dean]

SMEs will certainly be the most hit in this.

As I write this I've just seen a Barclays advert saying that small business's with a turnover of up to £250k will not be charged interest or bank charges on their business current accounts and overdraft facilities, up until end of June. That's exactly the sort of gesture we should be seeing from our banks and hopefully the others will be shamed into following suit.

It probably isn't enough in itself to make the difference between whether a business comes out the other end of this, but collectively with other measures it will certainly help.

We'll need some kind of Marshall Plan or New Deal type situation IMO

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

@JimmyJeffers @RAFUH @spectateur @zzr45 @neil999 @Megatron @b-rad ...I could go on.

"Intelligence services reportedly believe evidence of the virus was destroyed in labs and requests to provide live samples to international scientists working on a vaccine were refused".

"And the newspaper reports that the Australian government funded a team of Chinese scientists at a lab where deadly coronaviruses were genetically modified - even though they could be transmitted from bats to humans".

China lied to world about virus and hurt vaccine efforts, leaked dossier claims

A bombshell dossier by the Five Eyes security alliance has accused China of hiding the truth about the deadly virus as it spread across the world, causing tens of thousands of death

www.mirror.co.uk

I'll be proved right soon enough when it all comes out...could start a war all this once China are hit with sanctions and trillions in claims for compo.

 

[Minimeister]

Its crossed my mind, but im presuming mail testing was the quickest way for the UK to set up an infrastructure and balance resources. Perhaps maybe a joint approach of the mail testing and centers locally might be the way forward. We have testing and contact tracing teams wholly over here. I suspect there are different challenges for the UK though, as we have a smaller population and country and not quite as big as an island.

The concern i have with mail testing is the efficacy for the reasons i mentioned earlier mate, in terms of people doing it themselves. My second concern is the timeline. How long does it take, presuming Joe Public has done it properly 1. Get a test after having symptoms, 2. Post it back. 3. Have it processed at labs, 3. Have it analysed. 4. Get the results. 5 Contact trace. Seems like a long time line to me and an inefficient way of contact tracing and identifying clusters (more then three linked cases).

For example, if i work in health care, i work on a ward were covid is present, i develop symptoms, i apply for a test, it arrives three days later, i do the test, i send it off, three days later it arrives at a lab, two days later its processed by the team, the results are recorded, the next day i get the results. You might be touching two weeks beginning to end, i might have recovered, gone to hospital. But critically i may live with my partner, parents, have been to work in a hospital, down the shops etc. while i have been a symptomatic during incubatition or - i may have infected others in the intervening periods over the lag, the whole process and timeline doesn't seem to lend itself to speedy contact tracing or shutting down clusters the same way immediate testing would in a testing center.

But im sure this has all be weighed and any testing system is better then none, the scale if it comes of is impressive, but testing also has to be purposeful beyond numbers. What is the reason you are testing? and What are you trying to achieve? - these are key questions. Is it to see how many people have the virus representativly, is it a knee jerk political seen to be doing - also keep their political promise during the crisis., or is it to shut down clusters and turn the tide in the community - speed and efficacy are the key factor in that. So its an interesting question as to why the UK government decided that this was the best approach for them and what were the reasons for that.

What we've been doing the last few weeks is as soon as someone goes off with symptoms, we ring them up and arrange a test usually that day or the next. Everyone has been able to attend the test centres and none have required home swabbing. If someone can't drive and are a key worker they've been picked up by the porters and taken back. The results then take about 48/72 hrs. So within 3/4 days they can be back in work and the household members can go about life as normal if it comes back negative.Those tests should have been made available at the start so we could have stopped the tired arses who self isolated before the bat soup was even finished.

 

[Brennan]

@JimmyJeffers @RAFUH @spectateur @zzr45 @neil999 @Megatron @b-rad ...I could go on.

"Intelligence services reportedly believe evidence of the virus was destroyed in labs and requests to provide live samples to international scientists working on a vaccine were refused".

"And the newspaper reports that the Australian government funded a team of Chinese scientists at a lab where deadly coronaviruses were genetically modified - even though they could be transmitted from bats to humans".

China lied to world about virus and hurt vaccine efforts, leaked dossier claims

A bombshell dossier by the Five Eyes security alliance has accused China of hiding the truth about the deadly virus as it spread across the world, causing tens of thousands of death

www.mirror.co.uk

I'll be proved right soon enough when it all comes out...could start a war all this once China are hit with sanctions and trillions in claims for compo.

Assuming you didn’t read the article, as there’s nothing in there which is actual evidence of anything you’ve claimed about the origin.

 

[tsubaki]

What we've been doing the last few weeks is as soon as someone goes off with symptoms, we ring them up and arrange a test usually that day or the next. Everyone has been able to attend the test centres and none have required home swabbing. If someone can't drive and are a key worker they've been picked up by the porters and taken back. The results then take about 48/72 hrs. So within 3/4 days they can be back in work and the household members can go about life as normal if it comes back negative.Those tests should have been made available at the start so we could have stopped the tired arses who self isolated before the bat soup was even finished.

That’s what our place had been doing recently too (except the being picked up part as everyone has been able to get there themselves).

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Assuming you didn’t read the article, as there’s nothing in there which is actual evidence of anything you’ve claimed about the origin.

Are you getting worried I might be right mate?

Donald told you yesterday he'd seen evidence, were you not listening?

 

[zzr45]

@JimmyJeffers @RAFUH @spectateur @zzr45 @neil999 @Megatron @b-rad ...I could go on.

"Intelligence services reportedly believe evidence of the virus was destroyed in labs and requests to provide live samples to international scientists working on a vaccine were refused".

"And the newspaper reports that the Australian government funded a team of Chinese scientists at a lab where deadly coronaviruses were genetically modified - even though they could be transmitted from bats to humans".

China lied to world about virus and hurt vaccine efforts, leaked dossier claims

A bombshell dossier by the Five Eyes security alliance has accused China of hiding the truth about the deadly virus as it spread across the world, causing tens of thousands of death

www.mirror.co.uk

I'll be proved right soon enough when it all comes out...could start a war all this once China are hit with sanctions and trillions in claims for compo.

Yeah, that says absolutely nothing about it being made in a lab. It says the Chinese suppressed reports. Which we all knew.

You might as well have pasted a copy to the last video you watched on Pornhub. It might have had a little more relevance to your claims.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Are you getting worried I might be right mate?

Donald told you yesterday he'd seen evidence, were you not listening?

Is he your mate now? Do you think he’s doing a good job over there?

 

[tsubaki]

Is he your mate now? Do you think he’s doing a good job over there?

Donald is shining a light into all manner of dark spaces, I hear.

 

[spectateur]

Are you getting worried I might be right mate?

Donald told you yesterday he'd seen evidence, were you not listening?

And would you seriously believe everything he says. Seriously!