Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Im really interested to see how the home testing kits work in the UK, i know the States are doing them to, are many other countries?. If they work its a really great break through and you would hope they get out to the majority of the population.

Ive been tested myself by a testing team - as its a prerequisite now in work. Not the nicest experience and more invasive then what the guidance shows on the NHS video, i wouldn't trust myself, to do it on myself and its really uncomfortable, so efficacy, competence and compliance would be a worry.

You dont pop them in the post do you - genuinely dont know? If so, seems a bit mad to pop potentially infected samples in the post.

That would be my worry mate. I have got the worst gag reflex in the world, it's always been an absolute nightmare for a doctor to try and get a swab in my mouth, they wouldn't even have to get a swab fully in my mouth before I'm gagging, so doing it myself, I'm not so sure I could especially the extremes you have to go to with this test.
 
It's been fairly well documented that the fallout of this recession, as is so often the case, will fall heaviest on those with relatively low skills, and the young. Some interesting times ahead, and it's a discussion perhaps for another time, but even aside from my views on the validity of it in general, I sincerely hope that Brexit is put back, as adding the disruption from that on top of the disruption already dumped upon society seems like an enormous mistake. I suspect many Brexiters would accept such a stance as well tbh.
Absolutely makes sense to me. Not going to happen by the look of things though
 
That would be my worry mate. I have got the worst gag reflex in the world, it's always been an absolute nightmare for a doctor to try and get a swab in my mouth, they wouldn't even have to get a swab fully in my mouth before I'm gagging, so doing it myself, I'm not so sure I could especially the extremes you have to go to with this test.

Not to give you the heebie jeebies mate, but that was the part i struggled with surprisingly. I wouldn't be squeamish or jumpy in the least and as we were going in, a lot of my colleagues were coming out upset about the nasal swab and how far that went up the cavity, while that part wasn't nice and went a fair bit up the cavity, it was the throat swab that i found the most evasive absolutely gagged and wretched, its right at the back of your throat under your tonsils. Both swabs are about 5-10 seconds max. The NHS instruction video is a million miles away to the evasiveness of the swabs the testing team did on us, ha who knows maybe they all had hangovers. But i definitely wouldn't trust myself to do the test i got, on myself. Your grand 30 seconds after but its an invasive experience.

I see it has been brought up as an issue already across the pond:


Hopefully it works though , be a terrific breakthrough.
 
Looks like we will have informal advice in certain public setting on wearing face coverings after lock down:

When you say "we", you're talking about Ireland, a place that's seen competence from the governing classes. Unfortunatley, we aren't blessed with that and so we literally have no 'kin idea how we get out of this mess that they created.
 
That would be my worry mate. I have got the worst gag reflex in the world, it's always been an absolute nightmare for a doctor to try and get a swab in my mouth, they wouldn't even have to get a swab fully in my mouth before I'm gagging, so doing it myself, I'm not so sure I could especially the extremes you have to go to with this test.
I feel you pain brother, I can't even snorkel ffs.
 
When you say "we", you're talking about Ireland, a place that's seen competence from the governing classes. Unfortunatley, we aren't blessed with that and so we literally have no 'kin idea how we get out of this mess that they created.

I've seen stuff in work. Face masks are likely to be needed in shops, restaurants, public transport etc.
 
I've seen stuff in work. Face masks are likely to be needed in shops, restaurants, public transport etc.
Well let's hope so.

Thus far I've seen nothing that tells me that we are getting them / will be instructed to wear them....unlike in every developed nation.
 
When you say "we", you're talking about Ireland, a place that's seen competence from the governing classes. Unfortunatley, we aren't blessed with that and so we literally have no 'kin idea how we get out of this mess that they created.

We've been conservative i think mate - pardon the pun - we went with with a very risk averse approach early doors and continue along that vain. We've been decent enough with patience and general social compliance as well. We didnt take any risks and continue not to, all the while waiting and watching elsewhere to see what works and how we can apply it. No point being a hero and playing games of chance with the loss of human life. Really if we had less conservative politicians we might have moved to phase 1 on this Tues and opened up a little, but the two week extension just gives us that bit extra time to prepare and make sure. I think we are taking advantage of our position in Western Europe and seeing how opening up in central Europe is going and will learn lessons around that in the next two weeks. We are also hoping to have the capacity to do - 100k tests a day in two weeks - even if its unlikely we will need that many. We're doing well at the moment with cases dropping day on day.

A worry going on, is sharing a border with the UK, we have seen a spike of cases in the border counties, Cavan and Mongahan, with day trippers coming over the border and back - different jurisdictions and it is creating problems in health and policing. Going on if we open say the likes of shops, pubs and restaurants and the UK dont we could be flooded with people being pulled south from the North, were we have no jurisdiction over health etc. But such is living in Ireland.

We made mistakes - residential care settings particularly, but genuinely trying to rectify these now and salvage what is salvageable with an acknowledgement we dropped the ball.

I wouldn't be to fool hardy though or self congratulatory now, dealing with this virus is like a game of snakes and ladders, just as soon as you go up a ladder you can be knocked back at any stage stepping on a snake. Personally i think locking down a country is easy, i think its far harder and there there are huge risks involved in opening up again incrementally. That will separate many governments from the herd of just blanket lock-downs as a way of managing this. The winter is going to be difficult, a concern would be a flu and covid duel outbreak - which could be carnage and will be a real challenge for our health services.

While id share a lot of your opinions on how the government have dealt with this in the UK and their morality and political, values and motivation behind many of their decisions, its been a week of acknowledgement and progress - more so then any other week - strides have been in getting a testing strategy and a response into care homes - hopefully both those things come off, they've been painfully slow bordering on incompetent on the broad management of this - with a horrffic human cost, but better late then never on these measures and i really hope the UK progress from here.

I think the slow response by the UK government over a coherent multifaceted holisitic strategy to this across a range of settings will delay things for the UK as they are late to many of the particular "best practice" parties. If the testing strategy comes of it could really help. On reflection i think the UK and to a lesser extent us, prioritised the acute setting and the UK particularly panicked and front loaded everything into hospitals very narrowly (maybe not unreasonably), other settings like the community and care homes less so and is only now starting to deal with the issues there. The chain of infection starts in the community, if you dont deal with the growth of the virus at source its not going to get ease in hospitals or ultimately. The UK are late to that and other parties but at lest they've shined their shoes this weeks.
 
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Agree, but shame you can't balance that with Toryites, jerking themselves silly over 100,000 tests being done when 739, people died yesterday.
The death figure yesterday, as it has been for the last month or so, is truly awful and very sad.

But I haven't seen anybody celebrating the tests levels in anything like the way you portray. And certainly not on here. One or two have said it has been a good effort to get the numbers up, which in fairness it has. But that still needs to be tempered by the fact it should have been done weeks earlier. The ability to test in large numbers has been there all the time if PHE had not insisted on using their own facilities only.

But the good news is that testing capacity is now there. What we need to do now is get a better organised structure to who we test going forward. In my opinion this involves setting up local testing centres, and by local I mean within a 5/10 mile radius, so we can start a proper test, contact, trace and isolate strategy, which is vital to our ability to open up the country again. We're not in a position to do this nationally yet as the daily new infection figures are still far too high. But there is absolutely no reason why it can't be rolled out in some regions where the new infections are quite low, like down here in Cornwall for instance. Trialling it in selected regions will also help them learn what works and what doesn't before rolling it out nationally.
 
I’m assuming people would have to disclose it and they’d opted not to.
Are people asked to disclose their ethnicity when they go into hospital?. I'm fortunate enough never to have had to go into hospital other than for a few stitches in A&E, but on many occasions I have accompanied family who have been taken in, and not once do I recall anyone being asked to confirm ethnicity. Having said that I would have had more pressing concerns on my mind at the time so could easily be wrong.
 
We've been conservative i think mate - pardon the pun - we went with with a very risk averse approach early doors and continue along that vain. We've been decent enough with patience and general social compliance as well. We didnt take any risks and continue not to, all the while waiting and watching elsewhere to see what works and how we can apply it. No point being a hero and playing games of chance with the loss of human life. Really if we had less conservative politicians we might have moved to phase 1 on this Tues and opened up a little, but the two week extension just gives us that bit extra time to prepare and make sure. I think we are taking advantage of our position in Western Europe and seeing how opening up in central Europe is going and will learn lessons around that in the next two weeks. We are also hoping to have the capacity to do - 100k tests a day in two weeks - even if its unlikely we will need that many. We're doing well at the moment with cases dropping day on day.

A worry going on, is sharing a border with the UK, we have seen a spike of cases in the border counties, Cavan and Mongahan, with day trippers coming over the border and back - different jurisdictions and it is creating problems in health and policing. Going on if we open say the likes of shops, pubs and restaurants and the UK dont we could be flooded with people being pulled south from the North, were we have no jurisdiction over health etc. But such is living in Ireland.

We made mistakes - residential care settings particularly, but genuinely trying to rectify these now and salvage what is salvageable with an acknowledgement we dropped the ball.

I wouldn't be to fool hardy though or self congratulatory now, dealing with this virus is like a game of snakes and ladders, just as soon as you go up a ladder you can be knocked back at any stage stepping on a snake. Personally i think locking down a country is easy, i think its far harder and there there are huge risks involved in opening up again incrementally. That will separate many governments from the herd of just blanket lock-downs as a way of managing this. The winter is going to be difficult, a concern would be a flu and covid duel outbreak - which could be carnage and will be a real challenge for our health services.

While id share a lot of your opinions on how the government have dealt with this in the UK and their morality and political, values and motivation behind many of their decisions, its been a week of acknowledgement and progress - more so then any other week - strides have been in getting a testing strategy and a response into care homes - hopefully both those things come off, they've been painfully slow bordering on incompetent on the broad management of this - with a horrffic human cost, but better late then never on these measures and i really hope the UK progress from here.

I think the slow response by the UK government over a coherent multifaceted holisitic strategy to this across a range of settings will delay things for the UK as they are late to many of the particular "best practice" parties. If the testing strategy comes of it could really help. On reflection i think the UK and to a lesser extent us, prioritised the acute setting and the UK particularly panicked and front loaded everything into hospitals very narrowly (maybe not unreasonably), other settings like the community and care homes less so and is only now starting to deal with the issues there. The chain of infection starts in the community, if you dont deal with the growth of the virus at source its not going to get ease in hospitals or ultimately. The UK are late to that and other parties but at lest they've shined their shoes this weeks.
The distinguishing feature across Europe seems to be that those nations that made the decision to lock down sooner than Italy, Spain and the UK did have reaped the benefits. Ireland appear to have been sensible rather than pioneering any model and then been a slave to it. Pragmatic and observant. Watchwords for any governing class in this crisis.

As you say, you're hamstrung a bit by sharing a land border with another country that's governed like a Banana Republic. That Banana Republic beats its breast and boasts of capacity to test while Ireland just got on with it.
 
This is one of those situations where state intervention is needed. Some kind of aid plan for SMEs will be needed.
SMEs will certainly be the most hit in this.

As I write this I've just seen a Barclays advert saying that small business's with a turnover of up to £250k will not be charged interest or bank charges on their business current accounts and overdraft facilities, up until end of June. That's exactly the sort of gesture we should be seeing from our banks and hopefully the others will be shamed into following suit.

It probably isn't enough in itself to make the difference between whether a business comes out the other end of this, but collectively with other measures it will certainly help.
 
Im really interested to see how the home testing kits work in the UK, i know the States are doing them to, are many other countries?. If they work its a really great break through and you would hope they get out to the majority of the population.

Ive been tested myself by a testing team - as its a prerequisite now in work. Not the nicest experience and more invasive then what the guidance shows on the NHS video, i wouldn't trust myself, to do it on myself and its really uncomfortable, so efficacy, competence and compliance would be a worry.

You dont pop them in the post do you - genuinely dont know? If so, seems a bit mad to pop potentially infected samples in the post.
Would much prefer to see local testing centres set up where professionals are conducting the tests. Something like this will be needed for contact tracing anyway as speed is of the essence in this working properly.
 
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