Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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A British firm may be forced to send 500,000 visors, desperately needed by NHS staff abroad as the government has not ordered any.

Printers Prime group of Nottingham, transformed it's operation and took on 30 extra staff ready to make up to one million visors a month, which is 35,000 a day.

But the firm is frustrated that despite contacting officials over a month ago, no orders have been placed.
 
News just broke out all the M motorway roads particularly down south more traffic on them early am today - a guess is the self employed are skint and are going back to work ....?
Then a USA guy on Facebook preach Covid 19 is a hoax and how he was persuading other people to go about their daily lives normally has just died.........of Covid 19...

I really don't think you can pin this just on 'self-employed' Joey, tbf.

It seems much more likely to me it's companies that shut for three weeks and then have decided to open again.
 
But he wasn't very sick, he used that and is still using it as an opportunity not to have his face asscociated with the balls up that is unfolding in front of our eyes and escape scrutiny........again.
The last time he appeared in public that I can remember was in the fridge when he took that guys phone off him and put it in his pocket when shown pictures of the kid sleeping on a hospital floor.
He's a bullshitter mate, always has been and now it's starting to show.

You don't know how sick he was. All we know is he was in intensive care.

You're proposing that all the doctors and nurses in the ward will have not come out about that if he wasn't ill?

I agree with you on the balls up but he and the government aren't escaping scrutiny. There's loads of scrutiny. Stop with the conspiracy theories.

It's half of the reason we have these charlatans in to begin with - all Labour supporters have done for the last five years is cry media conspiracy. It's boring.

The media's focus - right now it seems - is to keep causing more panic and hysteria. If anything, that is fuelling scrutiny on the government.
 
Financial Times:

Coronavirus death toll in UK twice as high as official figure




The coronavirus pandemic has already caused as many as 41,000 deaths in the UK, according to a Financial Times analysis of the latest data from the Office for National Statistics. The estimate is more than double the official figure of 17,337 released by ministers on Tuesday, which is updated daily and only counts those who have died in hospitals after testing positive for the virus. The FT extrapolation, based on figures from the ONS that were also published on Tuesday, includes deaths that occurred outside hospitals updated to reflect recent mortality trends. The analysis also supports emerging evidence that the peak of deaths in the UK occurred on April 8 with the mortality rate gradually trending lower since, despite the 823 hospital deaths announced on Tuesday, which were sharply up on the 449 in the previous 24 hours. The ONS data showed that deaths registered in the week ending April 10 were 75 per cent above normal in England and Wales, the highest level for more than 20 years. There were 18,516 deaths registered during that period compared with the most recent five-year average of 10,520 for the same week of the year. There were similar patterns in Scotland and Northern Ireland Nick Stripe, head of life events at the Office for National Statistics, said the figure was “unprecedented”, especially as the weather had been sunny and warm in the run-up to the Easter weekend. Editor’s note The Financial Times is making key coronavirus coverage free to read to help everyone stay informed. Find the latest here. He added that because the week included Good Friday, when registrations were much lower than on a normal working day, the ONS numbers were also “conservatively” at least 2,000 too low. The number of deaths in the UK has moved from running at below long-term averages to well above them as a result of the pandemic. Excess deaths from all causes stand 16,952 above the seasonal average across the UK since fatalities from Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, began to mount in mid-March. The “all cause excess mortality” figure is widely recognised as the best measure of the death toll linked to the pandemic. David Spiegelhalter, the Winton professor of public understanding of risk at Cambridge university, said it was “the only unbiased comparison” given the problems measuring deaths and their causes. But because of the lag in collating the data, the ONS published figures for the period to April 10 are significantly out of date as they are based on registrations received by the statistical office, which on average arrive four days after the actual date of death.

The FT’s analysis has extrapolated these figures using the latest trends in the daily hospital deaths assuming the relationship between these and total excess deaths remained stable, as it has so far over the course of the pandemic. Using this calculation, a conservative estimate of UK excess deaths by April 21 was 41,102. Carl Henegan, professor of evidence based medicine at Oxford university, said the deadly effects of Covid-19 were much more marked than during a bad outbreak of seasonal influenza. “I don’t think we’ve ever seen such a sharp upturn in deaths at that rate,” he said. The 2017-18 seasonal flu outbreak may have killed 50,000 in the UK but “the reason we did not get alarmed then was that they were spread out over many weeks”. The ONS data also showed that deaths at home and in care homes had also jumped sharply during the pandemic. In the week ending April 10, deaths in care homes reached 4,927, almost double the figure of 2,471 a month earlier.


Prof Spiegelhalter said that coronavirus was not given as the cause on many of the death certificates but was likely to be a direct or indirect factor. He said many doctors would initially have been reluctant to designate the virus as the cause on death certificates as it was a new disease and they could not have been certain. Some of those who died from other causes may have been too scared to attend hospital or did not want to be a burden on the health service so they could be seen as possible indirect victims of the virus, he argued. But he added, the sheer number of deaths caused by the virus meant, “there is no suggestion that the collateral damage — however large it is — is anything like as big as the harm from Covid”. The ONS said on Tuesday it had asked Public Health England to investigate why care home deaths were rising so sharply. The FT has broken down its analysis for England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, as they report weekly deaths separately. There were almost 38,000 deaths to date linked to Covid-19 in England and Wales. In Scotland this figure is a little under 3,000 and just below 500 in Northern Ireland. As 24 per cent of deaths normally occur in care homes in the UK, the analysis suggests that just under 11,000 more people than normal have died in residential care since the start of the outbreak.


Ian Hudspeth, chairman of the Local Government Association’s Community Wellbeing Board, described the ONS data as “sad and shocking” and said it highlighted the severe challenges being faced by care homes across the country. “We are also yet to see the peak of the stress on the social care system, due to the delay between hospital admissions and discharge, which will require the need to start thinking about shifting capacity across from hospitals and into the community to meet a surge in demand,” he added. The ONS data also showed that the vast majority of all excess deaths were people aged over 75 years old. This age bracket accounted for 70 per cent of the total, the same proportion as those with Covid-19 on their death certificates. Prof Henegan said this was unusual for a pandemic and reflected the same patterns of mortality seen in seasonal flu epidemics. “In all the previous pandemics, the young are disproportionately affected,” he said.
 
You don't know how sick he was. All we know is he was in intensive care.

You're proposing that all the doctors and nurses in the ward will have not come out about that if he wasn't ill?

I agree with you on the balls up but he and the government aren't escaping scrutiny. There's loads of scrutiny. Stop with the conspiracy theories.

It's half of the reason we have these charlatans in to begin with - all Labour supporters have done for the last five years is cry media conspiracy. It's boring.

The media's focus - right now it seems - is to keep causing more panic and hysteria. If anything, that is fuelling scrutiny on the government.

Don`t forget the Police, as they`d have to be part of it too, sorting out all the security for his " holiday " at St Thomas`s lol
 
News just broke out all the M motorway roads particularly down south more traffic on them early am today - a guess is the self employed are skint and are going back to work ....?
Its tory MPs and fantastic celebrities driving to and from their portfolio of mansions and second / third homes.
 
Financial Times:

Coronavirus death toll in UK twice as high as official figure




The coronavirus pandemic has already caused as many as 41,000 deaths in the UK, according to a Financial Times analysis of the latest data from the Office for National Statistics. The estimate is more than double the official figure of 17,337 released by ministers on Tuesday, which is updated daily and only counts those who have died in hospitals after testing positive for the virus. The FT extrapolation, based on figures from the ONS that were also published on Tuesday, includes deaths that occurred outside hospitals updated to reflect recent mortality trends. The analysis also supports emerging evidence that the peak of deaths in the UK occurred on April 8 with the mortality rate gradually trending lower since, despite the 823 hospital deaths announced on Tuesday, which were sharply up on the 449 in the previous 24 hours. The ONS data showed that deaths registered in the week ending April 10 were 75 per cent above normal in England and Wales, the highest level for more than 20 years. There were 18,516 deaths registered during that period compared with the most recent five-year average of 10,520 for the same week of the year. There were similar patterns in Scotland and Northern Ireland Nick Stripe, head of life events at the Office for National Statistics, said the figure was “unprecedented”, especially as the weather had been sunny and warm in the run-up to the Easter weekend. Editor’s note The Financial Times is making key coronavirus coverage free to read to help everyone stay informed. Find the latest here. He added that because the week included Good Friday, when registrations were much lower than on a normal working day, the ONS numbers were also “conservatively” at least 2,000 too low. The number of deaths in the UK has moved from running at below long-term averages to well above them as a result of the pandemic. Excess deaths from all causes stand 16,952 above the seasonal average across the UK since fatalities from Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, began to mount in mid-March. The “all cause excess mortality” figure is widely recognised as the best measure of the death toll linked to the pandemic. David Spiegelhalter, the Winton professor of public understanding of risk at Cambridge university, said it was “the only unbiased comparison” given the problems measuring deaths and their causes. But because of the lag in collating the data, the ONS published figures for the period to April 10 are significantly out of date as they are based on registrations received by the statistical office, which on average arrive four days after the actual date of death.

And the rate of cases will be about 10 x as high (probably more) than the official figures show, too.
 
Its tory MPs and fantastic celebrities driving to and from their portfolio of mansions and second / third homes.
Not really it's reported the worst day ever backlogs in places .....if your family is starving and you get a job offer self employed what alternatives have they got?
When Blair suggest some to eateries should open as he is getting bored with his wife's cooking it sends out the wrong message........
 
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You don't know how sick he was. All we know is he was in intensive care.

You're proposing that all the doctors and nurses in the ward will have not come out about that if he wasn't ill?

I agree with you on the balls up but he and the government aren't escaping scrutiny. There's loads of scrutiny. Stop with the conspiracy theories.

It's half of the reason we have these charlatans in to begin with - all Labour supporters have done for the last five years is cry media conspiracy. It's boring.

The media's focus - right now it seems - is to keep causing more panic and hysteria. If anything, that is fuelling scrutiny on the government.

And neither do you!
I am not saying he didn't test positive but some peoples symptoms are nothing more than a cold and I think that is what happened here. He used his mild symptoms of the virus to disappear from public view and will re-appear when it's all over singing the praises of the very people he intends to sell down the river to big US pharma, when employees will be given poorer and poorer contracts in return for a one off payment of a paltry sum, reduced investment and crap working conditions........ tis the way of things private.
 
The death numbers are going to be a point of contention for years, with different methodologies and assumptions providing different numbers.

Was just reading about the 1918 Spanish flu, and the death numbers there vary from 17m to 50m, with some estimating 100m, so the variance and margin for error is massive.

Think the best we can hope for will be to be able to say “deaths were between x and y” and hope that the variance is relatively small, and then have conversations in this context, either using an agreed average, or acknowledging the variance uncertainty.
We aren't living in 1918, there is no excuse for not being able to report the deaths from this virus accurately, but if you choose as a Government to omit deaths from care homes where the most vulnerable people are to this virus, then your death reports are null and void, no point just giving hospital deaths, unless you want to make things seem better than they are to avoid criticism.

All deaths are recorded on databases, reasons for death are recorded on death certificates in those databases.

Wake up to what the Government are doing, it's a scandal.
 
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