Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Catfish Blues]

Not aimed at you specifically, but this slavish attention to death stats is sooo strange. What has become of us?

We did some work for a public body a few years ago, so know a bit about it. Sounds like a horrible thing to say, but the whole infrastructure surrounding death is like any other public or private infrastructure, it's based on demand.

So each country has a need for undertakers, crematoria, morgues, post mortem facilities etc, and those facilities are designed to cope with normal peak demand, so they only have so much slack. Large variations from normal peak cause the same issues they would in all other supply chains.

The death stats also feed back into national health processes ( or should do ), because a large minority of deaths are termed as being avoidable. The percentage of avoidable deaths in a country is a pretty good measure of the overall effectiveness of health systems in countries, partly frontline ( ICU beds, numbers of healthcare workers ), but, even more, it's a measure of how good preventative measures and health education are. It's a bit morbid, but proper analysis of deaths can save lives.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

No matter if it’s true or not

No, they'll prove the virus had been genetically modified, the genome sequence has already been studied by leading scientists around the world, there are signs it's been modified, there are parts of other viruses in it like HIV.

China are in cover up mode, they won't release samples to the Amercians because they know the truth of its origins lies in those samples.

 

[Walken]

starting to get a jack Nicholson in the shining vibe from poor old bruce

 

[davek]

We've probably got 8 months or so more of this stuff, plus the inevitable fallout that will result from it even once a vaccine is available. I know it's huge. Every bugger knows its huge. Just tired of logging online every day and being overwhelmed with the latest new way to explain just how crap it is, or how rubbish the government is, or how we'd all be okay if we were only a bit more like the Germans or the Koreans or whoever. Is it going to be like this for the next several months or might we have the occasional day off and try and remember what it was like to have some joy in life?

If you feel that way (and I dont blame you, tbh) then you should (on here) do something about it. Look at the nature of the threads on the issue on this forum:

• a main thread for daily developments (overwhelmingly repeating recent cases anecdotally) a literally dreadful affair
• a thread about businesses exploiting the crisis
• a thread about political ineptitude and the crisis
• a thread used to attack China over the crisis

Why dont you create a Covid19 positivity thread? A thread that catalogues the downturn in the virus around the globe; which highlights latest developments on a vaccine; which shows the green shoots of life getting back to some degree of normality at least.

A thread like that can also act against the horrible gallows humour you read from some - which is completely inappropriate at this time, IMO.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We did some work for a public body a few years ago, so know a bit about it. Sounds like a horrible thing to say, but the whole infrastructure surrounding death is like any other public or private infrastructure, it's based on demand.

So each country has a need for undertakers, crematoria, morgues, post mortem facilities etc, and those facilities are designed to cope with normal peak demand, so they only have so much slack. Large variations from normal peak cause the same issues they would in all other supply chains.

The death stats also feed back into national health processes ( or should do ), because a large minority of deaths are termed as being avoidable. The percentage of avoidable deaths in a country is a pretty good measure of the overall effectiveness of health systems in countries, partly frontline ( ICU beds, numbers of healthcare workers ), but, even more, it's a measure of how good preventative measures and health education are. It's a bit morbid, but proper analysis of deaths can save lives.

For sure, I know the 'death supply chain' is struggling with this just as much as many other aspects of society. Does mulling over coffin numbers help any of us?

 

[longers]

With regard to people who claim it’s man made, im more inclined to believe science than randoms on Internet forums/social media.

Did coronavirus come from a lab?

This article was last reviewed on 13 October 2021. The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is not a bioweapon and most likely spread to people from animals. However, whether the virus may have leaked from a lab is also being investigated. New diseases have emerged throughout human history, and prior to the...

www.newscientist.com

The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. Here's how we know.

The persistent myth can be put to bed.

www.livescience.com

Theory that Coronavirus Escaped from a Lab Lacks Evidence

The pathogen appears to have come from wild animals, virologists say, and there are no signs of genetic manipulation in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

www.the-scientist.com

Scientists ‘strongly condemn' rumors and conspiracy theories about origin of coronavirus outbreak

A statement in The Lancet assails misinformation about the possibility that COVID-19 came from a lab in Wuhan, China

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Bruce Wayne]

starting to get a jack Nicholson in the shining vibe from poor old bruce

 

[trueblue84]

With regard to people who claim it’s man made, im more inclined to believe science than randoms on Internet forums who think they are clued up.

Did coronavirus come from a lab?

This article was last reviewed on 13 October 2021. The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is not a bioweapon and most likely spread to people from animals. However, whether the virus may have leaked from a lab is also being investigated. New diseases have emerged throughout human history, and prior to the...

www.newscientist.com

The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. Here's how we know.

The persistent myth can be put to bed.

www.livescience.com

Theory that Coronavirus Escaped from a Lab Lacks Evidence

The pathogen appears to have come from wild animals, virologists say, and there are no signs of genetic manipulation in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

www.the-scientist.com

Scientists ‘strongly condemn' rumors and conspiracy theories about origin of coronavirus outbreak

A statement in The Lancet assails misinformation about the possibility that COVID-19 came from a lab in Wuhan, China

www.sciencemag.org

Its man made in so much as some bloke caused all this by trying to stick his mallet in a bat.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If you feel that way (and I dont blame you, tbh) then you should (on here) do something about it. Look at the nature of the threads on the issue on this forum:

• a main thread for daily developments (overwhelmingly repeating recent cases anecdotally) a literally dreadful affair
• a thread about businesses exploiting the crisis
• a thread about political ineptitude and the crisis
• a thread used to attack China over the crisis

Why dont you create a Covid19 positivity thread? A thread that catalogues the downturn in the virus around the globe; which highlights latest developments on a vaccine; which shows the green shoots of life getting back to some degree of normality at least.

A thread like that can also act against the horrible gallows humour you read from some - which is completely inappropriate at this time, IMO.

Actually a decent idea.

Come gather round people, wherever you roam, and admit that you need, to do more than moan
And accept it that soon, you'll be soiled to the bone, if your time to you is worth savin', then you'll better start smiling or you'll suffer alone

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/covid-happiness.110080/

 

[Catfish Blues]

Does mulling over coffin numbers help any of us?

It's helping me, I've got a load of wood from our local sawmill, some brass handles, screws and a heavy duty screwdriver and am doing my bit to fill the gap.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Breaking news: 66,630,000 or so people are still alive this morning in Britain. Also approximately 2,000 babies are likely to have been born.

My mate had a baby born yesterday. All healthy and well. Bit of good news for you Bruce.

 

[bullybeef]

God darn it.

I missed Piers Morgan on GMTV this morning.

Did anyone catch his interview with a government official about Covid, if so, was it as entertaining as previous days?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

My mate had a baby born yesterday. All healthy and well. Bit of good news for you Bruce.

Fantastic news. Congratulations to your buddy.

 

[spectateur]

With regard to people who claim it’s man made, im more inclined to believe science than randoms on Internet forums/social media.

Did coronavirus come from a lab?

This article was last reviewed on 13 October 2021. The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is not a bioweapon and most likely spread to people from animals. However, whether the virus may have leaked from a lab is also being investigated. New diseases have emerged throughout human history, and prior to the...

www.newscientist.com

The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. Here's how we know.

The persistent myth can be put to bed.

www.livescience.com

Theory that Coronavirus Escaped from a Lab Lacks Evidence

The pathogen appears to have come from wild animals, virologists say, and there are no signs of genetic manipulation in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

www.the-scientist.com

Scientists ‘strongly condemn' rumors and conspiracy theories about origin of coronavirus outbreak

A statement in The Lancet assails misinformation about the possibility that COVID-19 came from a lab in Wuhan, China

www.sciencemag.org

I had a scientific education and career and I agree entirely with you.

However, conspiricy theories are so much more fun aren't they, and they get more reads and click-ons than boring scientific articles.

 

[jamieni]

Detailed analysis of NI deaths here. Published this morning. Over a quarter of all Covid deaths in NI in care homes/hospices.

Weekly Death Statistics in Northern Ireland 2021 | Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency

NOTE: NISRA did not release a full bulletin for the week ending 8th January as, given it was a new calendar year, more time was needed to liaise with other UK countries to decide how best to compare total deaths in 2021 with previous years. Week ending 31 December 2021Week ending 17 December...

www.nisra.gov.uk