Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I've seen it mentioned a fair bit but the context of the death rate in terms of reducing restrictions on society is quite meaningless.

We could have 500 deaths a day for a week and lift the restrictions for example.

It's the infection rate that's the figure that determines this. If you only have 10 new infections a day for a week, that's the sign it's slowing down, not the death rate. I say this as sensitive as I can really put it but anyone in hospital who has the virus and is declining is a statistic in current circumstances. They aren't to me or you but they are to the people tasked with dealing with this.

If they die or make a recovery , it plays no part in the handling of the situation.

Once the infection rate comes down, that's when things can go back to normal. Now I know in current circumstances it's impossible to determine that . We aren't all getting tested and new cases are only being determined by hospital visits. That's why the testing is so important now , to really get a grasp of the widespread of the infection rate.

This. the people in charge of this (disease professionals) MUST remain dispassionate and focus on the data. we as 'Normals' see family and friends. they see numbers and percentages and rates and spimes and that is how they need to be to get themselves and us through it. But yes, death rates are empirically useless. (IMHO only...I am not an expert)
 
Report out from UN University (which is apparently a thing) on the economic costs of the pandemic (and the shut down of economies). They predict 10 million people globally will be pushed back into extreme poverty, which is the first time in 30 years poverty stats have not improved.

Bloody hell.

And I'm guessing that's conservative as well (since nobody knows how long this will go on for).
 
People pay for this rubbish.

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can't believe wilson from home improvement would say this!
 
Prolonging this lockdown for an indeterminate time will mean the avoidance measures being at least as deadly both in terms of lives lived and lives lost.

It may well be later rather than sooner however (when they relax some of the measures) as they couldn't even contemplate it until after the peak of deaths has past and that looks as though it may not be for another fortnight.

One of the advisors today warned the lockdown could be in place for longer than expected as deaths (as often said) is a lagging stat so looking at other more 'forward' stats for when this may be reached can give some idea.

Given that the curve isn't definitely flattening and the rate of increase is only arguably but not definitely slowing, we can look at the rate of ICU admissions where the rate of increase is definitely slowing, but even here it suggests the levelling off is yet to be reached. Deaths will likely fall a fortnight later so the end of April perhaps.

If we give some time after the peak until some measures can be very gradually lifted then you are looking at towards the end of May as otherwise it will just escalate again.


If some sort of mass testing can be safely made available then that looks by far the best way forward to getting businesses to gradually reopen before there aren't any businesses surviving to reopen.

As it is this economic aftermath will cause countless damage perhaps far exceeding that caused by the virus itself, unbelievably tragic and shattering though that has been.

Every death is a tragedy and shocking waste to all connected although lives ruined and early deaths through an absolutely wrecked economy are perhaps the longer lasting effect.

Think this is likely.

On you point about the peak though, we are still on course to start our flattening when Spain/Italy/France/Germany etc have, which would be in our 4th week of lockdown running into the 5th. It's then sustaining these measures for however long this peak lasts and we start to see a downward trend over a sustained amount of time/days.

Then we need to continue the measures at least as they are right now for the start of that downward trend and gradually, gradually ease off. Open things in stages etc.

It's definitely going to be at least the end of May/start of June before we have anything like normal and even then I reckon stuff like large gatherings will be off the table for at least a few more weeks after that.

But I do worry our 'experts' are answering questions about lifting lockdown measures all together - not in phases, which is what should happen.
 
I would have second thoughts about going into work mate honestly.
I will have to have an interview with manager when I go back to discuss what's been going on and the decision is made then.
I'm sure lots has changed to protect staff more in the 2 weeks I've been off.
 
That's the important piece

You can live without being under house arrest.

You can also live through this thing without acting like a prat when you do go out and just follow the rules.

FWIW, I've left my house today to drop some shopping for my gran, take her dog for a walk and then go on a bike ride. Not once broken any rules and all the time acted sensibly. It's really not hard for people to do that and they should be allowed to without being made to feel like they're committing a crime (I know that's not what you're doing, btw :) )
 
Think this is likely.

On you point about the peak though, we are still on course to start our flattening when Spain/Italy/France/Germany etc have, which would be in our 4th week of lockdown running into the 5th. It's then sustaining these measures for however long this peak lasts and we start to see a downward trend over a sustained amount of time/days.

Then we need to continue the measures at least as they are right now for the start of that downward trend and gradually, gradually ease off. Open things in stages etc.

It's definitely going to be at least the end of May/start of June before we have anything like normal and even then I reckon stuff like large gatherings will be off the table for at least a few more weeks after that.

But I do worry our 'experts' are answering questions about lifting lockdown measures all together - not in phases, which is what should happen.

I trust our 'experts' more than you mate. No offence like.
 
I will have to have an interview with manager when I go back to discuss what's been going on and the decision is made then.
I'm sure lots has changed to protect staff more in the 2 weeks I've been off.
If you are in work with others mate its dam near impossible to keep the 2m distance thing I would image.
 
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