Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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It promises to have a number of positive implications I think, but when the same report estimates up to 600 million people around the world are going to enter poverty as a result of the contraction in economic activity, the economic fallout from this is likely to be significantly more severe than the health impact. All of which makes those people almost taking a "serves you right" attitude when people expressed concern about the stock market crashing seem even more incredulous. Every evidence suggests that this is a situation that is overwhelmingly going to affect the poorer elements of society more than the richer elements, in both economic and health terms.
I presume that is an additional 600 million?
 
Prolonging this lockdown for an indeterminate time will mean the avoidance measures being at least as deadly both in terms of lives lived and lives lost.

It may well be later rather than sooner however (when they relax some of the measures) as they couldn't even contemplate it until after the peak of deaths has past and that looks as though it may not be for another fortnight.

One of the advisors today warned the lockdown could be in place for longer than expected as deaths (as often said) is a lagging stat so looking at other more 'forward' stats for when this may be reached can give some idea.

Given that the curve isn't definitely flattening and the rate of increase is only arguably but not definitely slowing, we can look at the rate of ICU admissions where the rate of increase is definitely slowing, but even here it suggests the levelling off is yet to be reached. Deaths will likely fall a fortnight later so the end of April perhaps.

If we give some time after the peak until some measures can be very gradually lifted then you are looking at towards the end of May as otherwise it will just escalate again.

If some sort of mass testing can be safely made available then that looks by far the best way forward to getting businesses to gradually reopen before there aren't any businesses surviving to reopen.

As it is this economic aftermath will cause countless damage perhaps far exceeding that caused by the virus itself, unbelievably tragic and shattering though that has been.

Every death is a tragedy and shocking waste to all connected although lives ruined and early deaths through an absolutely wrecked economy are perhaps the longer lasting effect.
 
LBC now police have broke up 660 drink parties since the lockdown.......last night youths outside in a back garden with a bouncy castle plus ale plus Disco etc having a knees up - police went had a strong word let them offf giving them a good talking too deflated the bouncy castle .......had to return later as they had started back up again......
Posters on here worrying about more stingent rules on lock down blame these mupppets .......
The programme on LBC before sadly reported a 29 year old female nurse dying of Covid 19 in a 111 centre died before the ambulance arrived.......when she took ill at home .......
Piece of urine that one @COYBL25 (apart from the spelling lol)
 
Sure he'll resign like the Scottish Chief Medical Officer. Or the fact that Johnson's dad was on Radio 4 this morning from his second home without batting an eyelid (after advocating people continue going to the pub at the start of the lockdown). Utter tits, but the fact that whereas the Scottish lady resigned and these two chumps will carry on as normal is perhaps more damning.
I'm sure those incredulous at the hypocrisy of the chief medical officer in Scotland, will find the circumstances for Stanley are completely different.
'his son, the PM is in hospital you know, it's not right to criticise'
 
I'm sure those incredulous at the hypocrisy of the chief medical officer in Scotland, will find the circumstances for Stanley are completely different.
'his son, the PM is in hospital you know, it's not right to criticise'

His son is in hospital in London, so he had to go to his country pad in the west country....
 
Sure he'll resign like the Scottish Chief Medical Officer. Or the fact that Johnson's dad was on Radio 4 this morning from his second home without batting an eyelid (after advocating people continue going to the pub at the start of the lockdown). Utter tits, but the fact that whereas the Scottish lady resigned and these two chumps will carry on as normal is perhaps more damning.
Does Johnson's dad have an official position
 
There are degrees of the level of care required within an ICU Dave. If, as has been reported, he is only requiring oxygen support, the intensity of care will be 95% monitoring his sat levels, every 30 minutes or so, and adjusting the levels of oxygen needed. The other 5% will be reserved for a sudden decline in sats, and the need for an up tick in care. Vent most likely.

A junior nurse can monitor sat levels within a ICU. If they can read and clip a clippy thing on his finger.
I always wondered what the technical term for those things was
 
Yes, that's right, and obviously they're using the UN definition of poverty, so it's those living on a few dollars a day. Largely concentrated in SE Asia and sub-Saharan Africa. It doesn't discuss the kind of 'deaths from poverty' that Joseph Rowntree et al discuss in the UK.
It really is a largely ignored part of pandemic planning/exercising. I attended an exercise focused on pandemic response andrecovery and when the challenge around economy and finance was raised by an attendee it was almost dismissed by the facilitators as unnecessary discussion.

I'd really like to know what the governments plan is for lifting lockdown, as it seems to be a consideration, but without a large scale testing programme, as advocated by the WHO, it will be problematic.
 
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