CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[Royal Blue Jersey]

I would argue that the reason is a lack of options in the squad.

If you have another striker or a pacey winger on the bench then you have the personnel for a Plan B. If you don't, you don't.

None of us are experts and everyone thinks they are right. However it seems to be generally said that Moyes is one of the most tactically astute managers around.

It seems to me that Moyes puts enormous effort into identifying and then nullifying/exploiting team's strengths/weaknesses. This approach contributes, I think, to the frequency of tight games (we very rarely get a pasting under Moyes), the negligent impact players like Ronaldo, Rooney, Bale, Aguero end up having in games against us, and also to him picking players out of position. I think his approach is very mechanical: if he thinks we will win a great enough percentage of flick ons in a particularly dangerous area he will have no shame in ordering the centre halves to continually hoof the ball forward. 8 or 9 times out of 10 it will come to nothing, and it makes for a disruptive game and poor viewing entertainment, but if one time Fellaini gets the knock down, get one of your more technical players in the space - Pienaar, Baines - to set up a chance for a clinical finisher (Jelavic. Or so he was not too long ago). We'll all walk away saying how bad we've played, how lucky we were to get a winner, how bad the football was e.t.c without perhaps realising it was part of a plan; I am not excusing this approach by any means, in fact I think it's a dreadful way to approach football, a game that I would dearly love us to play at all times with the kind of flair, speed and quality that we showcase only every so often.

Because in certain games indeed we have played some terrific football; but they are often all too fleeting. I know there is form to take into account, but there is a difference to attempting to play a neat, incisive passing game and failing to do so and simply having Howard smashthe ball 70 yards aimlessly towards the opposition goal. I also think this is why Moyes isn't much interested by substitutions. I don't think he sees any point in deviating from the plan if he has already meticulously identified (what he believes to be) the oppositions' weaknesses and best methods to exploit them? And I think he's confident enough in his own plans to not give up on them till 75, 80 minutes if at all even if we look devoid of ideas.

Of course these are just my theories, probably all wrong ha

 

[davek]

For me Moyes decision to hold off on his contract until the summer takes the p*ss. No man is bigger than the club. I'd happily support the club in sacking him on the spot now. If he at least signed the contract we'd get compensation for him later. The failure to sign someone in the January window was down to Moyes.

I was indifferent in his first 9 years at the club. Jan 2012 and the football in the last 12 months has been brilliant at times. But this contract move is one straw to many. Has anyone actually got to an understanding of why he's taking this stance? Other than being a money-grabbing tw*t? "I'll wait and see how the results go etc"....

That's all well and good (and i agree it's very arrogant of Moyes), but he's able to take that stance because he's the only one with credibility or stature at the club. The board have no credibility or authority to take any action of the kind you want. They deserted the running of the club and handed it over to Moyes. So there's no surprise that Moyes would a) say what he's said and felt no need to temper his views, or b ) not face any action against him.

 

[Stend]

Tubey dont fight the power lad. Brennans a blue eyed on here. Calls me a blert all the time with no infractions. I think he suffers with savant syndrome

 

[ijjysmith]

Is it still going on or is it safe now?

 

[Tubey]

Is it still going on or is it safe now?

GET THE **** OUT OF THIS THREAD NOW

 

[Brennan]

Tubey dont fight the power lad. Brennans a blue eyed on here. Calls me a blert all the time with no infractions. I think he suffers with savant syndrome

 

[noharmdone]

Tubey dont fight the power lad. Brennans a blue eyed on here. Calls me a blert all the time with no infractions. I think he suffers with savant syndrome

*googles*

 

[Brennan]

*googles*

He basically called me autistic, which i'm fairly sure is worthy of a ban.

 

[Goat]

*hides*

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Tubey dont fight the power lad. Brennans a blue eyed on here. Calls me a blert all the time with no infractions. I think he suffers with savant syndrome

Behave yourself soft lad.

"But, but, but officer. Plenty of people go over 70mph on the motorway, why are you picking on me?"

 

[noharmdone]

He basically called me autistic, which i'm fairly sure is worthy of a ban.

Indeed. Never heard of that.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Back, on topic. Now.

Thanks.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

I would argue that the reason is a lack of options in the squad.

If you have another striker or a pacey winger on the bench then you have the personnel for a Plan B. If you don't, you don't.

None of us are experts and everyone thinks they are right. However it seems to be generally said that Moyes is one of the most tactically astute managers around.

It seems to me that Moyes puts enormous effort into identifying and then nullifying/exploiting team's strengths/weaknesses. This approach contributes, I think, to the frequency of tight games (we very rarely get a pasting under Moyes), the negligent impact players like Ronaldo, Rooney, Bale, Aguero end up having in games against us, and also to him picking players out of position. I think his approach is very mechanical: if he thinks we will win a great enough percentage of flick ons in a particularly dangerous area he will have no shame in ordering the centre halves to continually hoof the ball forward. 8 or 9 times out of 10 it will come to nothing, and it makes for a disruptive game and poor viewing entertainment, but if one time Fellaini gets the knock down, get one of your more technical players in the space - Pienaar, Baines - to set up a chance for a clinical finisher (Jelavic. Or so he was not too long ago). We'll all walk away saying how bad we've played, how lucky we were to get a winner, how bad the football was e.t.c without perhaps realising it was part of a plan; I am not excusing this approach by any means, in fact I think it's a dreadful way to approach football, a game that I would dearly love us to play at all times with the kind of flair, speed and quality that we showcase only every so often.

Because in certain games indeed we have played some terrific football; but they are often all too fleeting. I know there is form to take into account, but there is a difference to attempting to play a neat, incisive passing game and failing to do so and simply having Howard smashthe ball 70 yards aimlessly towards the opposition goal. I also think this is why Moyes isn't much interested by substitutions. I don't think he sees any point in deviating from the plan if he has already meticulously identified (what he believes to be) the oppositions' weaknesses and best methods to exploit them? And I think he's confident enough in his own plans to not give up on them till 75, 80 minutes if at all even if we look devoid of ideas.

Of course these are just my theories, probably all wrong ha

 

[Azzurri]

All gone Peter Tong in here.


Why do people expect Martinez to join us if he supposedly turned down Liverpool?

 

[Tubey]

Amazing what I just got an infraction for, given what I and others could have got an infraction for in this thread Picked on again FFS...

Anyway, back on topic as requested, I don't think Martinez will end up at Everton, because I don't think Moyes will leave. He'll feed his ego trip with this speculation and then pen the bumper contract because there's no other option open for him.