CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[bignev23]

I think tactics can get in the way, If you have good enough players they'll know where and what they have to do to get the job done. Tactics can stop your team playing naturally. I believe that players like Rodwell had his talent restricted because of tactics and he would be better if he just went out and played like what Redknap said to van der vart.I think the England team is a prime example of tactics holding a team back over the years. All good players but a crap team because they're not allowed to express themselves because they have to stick to a pre arranged system and game plan.Thats why i wouldn't have minded Redknap as England manager.

 

[Muggins]

Can you stop shouting please mate we're trying to be calm in here.

You're lucky that response didn't exceed more than 3 lines, or I'd of ignored it...

 

[Tubey]

I think tactics can get in the way, If you have good enough players they'll know where and what they have to do to get the job done. Tactics can stop your team playing naturally. I believe that players like Rodwell had his talent restricted because of tactics and he would be better if he just went out and played like what Redknap said to van der vart.

That's all I'm saying Redknapp does. Apparently that's a controversial view mate that'll get you called a Kopite by someone who won't get an infraction for it.

Moyes is a step up in tactical nous but not much - he has a set pattern and follows it. Deviating from the tactical plan mid-game is what separates the good motivators from top-class managers.

 

[Woolly Blue]

LADS PLEASE CAN EVERYONE CALM DOWN. NO FINGER POINTING HERE JUST WANT EVERYONE TO SWERVE THE SNIDEYNESS BEFORE SNIDERMAN COMES IN AND RUINS YOU ALL.

SOUND.

Err, pardon.
Are you saying you control Snidey ?
No-one controls Sniderman so therefore you ARE Sniderman ... in which case, are you a Chico multi ?

 

[Muggins]

Err, pardon.
Are you saying you control Snidey ?
No-one controls Sniderman so therefore you ARE Sniderman ... in which case, are you a Chico multi ?

Erm....erm...erm...

Look a squirrel!!

*runs.

 

[Timak]

That's all I'm saying Redknapp does. Apparently that's a controversial view mate that'll get you called a Kopite by someone who won't get an infraction for it.

Moyes is a step up in tactical nous but not much - he has a set pattern and follows it. Deviating from the tactical plan mid-game is what separates the good motivators from top-class managers.

That is EXACTLY what Moyes does. Do you ever watch Everton play or simply not understand what you watching?

You seem to be confusing tactical changes with personnel changes.

 

[Jags..class]

wrong thread sorry

 

[Tubey]

That is EXACTLY what Moyes does. Do you ever watch Everton play or simply not understand what you watching?

You seem to be confusing tactical changes with personnel changes.

I know exactly what a tactical change is, and he doesn't do it. The tactical changes under Moyes only occur when a player is injured that prompts a reshuffle (Neville to right back from midfield was a recent one, or Mirallas on for Anichebe against Oldham), or if he's tried something odd from the off and it hasn't worked, so he resorts to the status quo (swapping Pienaar and Mirallas around in the game against United lately).

Usually, Moyes swaps like for like after 60 minutes. That's the personnel change you speak of. That's a part of his set plan that he doesn't deviate from, but it's separate to a tactical change.

Don't get me wrong, he's on the cutting edge of tactical development pre-game. He wasn't the last on board the shift to 4-5-1 from 4-4-2 as a general pattern, and when he sets up a team and gets it right from the off you see us do well. But that's not tactical aptitude in the heat of the match.

Even the most devout Moyes fans will usually admit he's a fantastic motivator, utilises the transfer market probably better than any other manager in world football, but his weakness is his mid-game tactical ability. How many times do you hear the complaint about "no Plan B" during an Everton game? That's the reason.

 

[ijjysmith]

This thread

 

[micknick]

That's all I'm saying Redknapp does. Apparently that's a controversial view mate that'll get you called a Kopite by someone who won't get an infraction for it.

Moyes is a step up in tactical nous but not much - he has a set pattern and follows it. Deviating from the tactical plan mid-game is what separates the good motivators from top-class managers.

Tubey not that we have to answer to you but the person in question has been told and has in fact received reprimanding.

Now can you all stop acting like 7 year olds.

 

[bignev23]

That's all I'm saying Redknapp does. Apparently that's a controversial view mate that'll get you called a Kopite by someone who won't get an infraction for it.

Moyes is a step up in tactical nous but not much - he has a set pattern and follows it. Deviating from the tactical plan mid-game is what separates the good motivators from top-class managers.

I agree mate its definately not one of Moyes strong points And he's always reluctent to change his system if its not working even if it seems everybody else can see its not working.He always goes for the safe option which has brought us and him stability but to push on now i think we would need either better players or a more tactically aware manager.I don't think we'll get either though.

 

[Bigmaclad]

You're lucky that response didn't exceed more than 3 lines, or I'd of ignored it...

I know how to play the game mate, why do you think I'm so widely loved?

Short snappy posts is all we need.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

Weary of it now. Almost weary of this season, never mind the summer destruction that is about to follow.

 

[Tubey]

Tubey not that we have to answer to you but the person in question has been told and has in fact received reprimanding.

Now can you all stop acting like 7 year olds.

How could I know, I don't see the red card under the post - which, strangely, there is for mine.

I use the word "troll", infraction.

Someone uses the word "kopite", no infraction but a "reprimanding", whatever that means.

Consistency required.

 

[Timak]

I know exactly what a tactical change is, and he doesn't do it. The tactical changes under Moyes only occur when a player is injured that prompts a reshuffle (Neville to right back from midfield was a recent one, or Mirallas on for Anichebe against Oldham), or if he's tried something odd from the off and it hasn't worked, so he resorts to the status quo (swapping Pienaar and Mirallas around in the game against United lately).

Usually, Moyes swaps like for like after 60 minutes. That's the personnel change you speak of. That's a part of his set plan that he doesn't deviate from, but it's separate to a tactical change.

Don't get me wrong, he's on the cutting edge of tactical development pre-game. He wasn't the last on board the shift to 4-5-1 from 4-4-2 as a general pattern, and when he sets up a team and gets it right from the off you see us do well. But that's not tactical aptitude in the heat of the match.

Even the most devout Moyes fans will usually admit he's a fantastic motivator, utilises the transfer market probably better than any other manager in world football, but his weakness is his mid-game tactical ability. How many times do you hear the complaint about "no Plan B" during an Everton game? That's the reason.

I would argue that the reason is a lack of options in the squad.

If you have another striker or a pacey winger on the bench then you have the personnel for a Plan B. If you don't, you don't.

None of us are experts and everyone thinks they are right. However it seems to be generally said that Moyes is one of the most tactically astute managers around.