CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[By god I'm blue]

Some on here completely missing the point.

Our peer group is Arsenal, Spurs and the RS.

Spurs and the RS have switched managers loads of times and spunked a load of cash on duds.

Arsenal have kept with Wenger in all that time and spent less per season than Moyes. Wenger has delivered more success than Moyes. Yes they spend more in wages but Wenger has delivered much more than the ginger one.

The contract stand-off at the moment is an insult to our great club. Moyes controls the club from top to bottom. He's bought and developed every single player so to come out with a line "I want to see how we finish" is completely mad.

By definition sticking with a manager for a long period instantly takes away the need for massive net spend. The focus on this from the media and some on here is ludicrous. Add in the golden bonus money from Rooney and Lescott etc and all of a sudden he's not such a miracle worker.

Remember too in their time - splashing out on the likes of Johnson, Beattie and the Yak to name but a few were all big money, big wages for Premiership proven strikers.

Moyes has done a very good job for the club but don't make out he's the be all and end all.

Arsenal have only become part of that group this season, Liverpool over the last 2 seasons.

Spurs definitely so in recent years, but they have now pushed on and done what we should have done and that is the board should back their manager.

I completely agree with the contract situation, but at the same time I cannot see in recent posts where people are making out he is the be all and end all.

Some people are just more grateful for what he has done with the club than others and that is reflective in these types of threads. And we won't all jump on the same band wagon calling for his head just becasue we have been knocked out of a cup after an unnusually shockingly bad performance.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

No our peer group is not Arsenal, Spurs and RS. Spurs and RS outspend us by about £20m every season.

You use Wenger to compare with Moyes. Well Wenger is a great one no doubt about that but tell me who had done better than Moyes apart from Wenger with the resources Everton have?

What does money matter in whether they're our peers?

We finish right next to them every season, we couldn't be any more their peers if we tried.

 

[riddick]

my problem with the quote was 'I came here to move the team on.' and yet he plays ****ing Neville. He shoe-horns a liability into a team at the expense of a more influential player. in fact, isn't our average age higher now than when he came in?

 

[Dell Boy]

No our peer group is not Arsenal, Spurs and RS. Spurs and RS outspend us by about £20m every season.

You use Wenger to compare with Moyes. Well Wenger is a great one no doubt about that but tell me who had done better than Moyes apart from Wenger with the resources Everton have?

But apart from Sir Red Nose no other manager aside from Wenger has had as long to develop a club/squad as Moyes has. You cannot compare him to the level of cash given to a new manager that's just taken over a club recently promoted from the Championship (e.g. Pardew) or one battling to recover from being bottom of the table (Redknapp at Spurs or now QPR).

The net spend at the RS over recent years has to be huge due to the complete change in outlook/footballing philosophy that accompanied Benitez > Dalglish > Potato Head.

Moyes has had the time to build. I'm not saying he's done a bad job at all but to make him out as a saint is ridiculous.

 

[hktoffee]

What does money matter in whether they're our peers?

We finish right next to them every season, we couldn't be any more their peers if we tried.

That's tell you how good David Moyes is given the money we have. No cash (net) to spend and still finish around those teams.

 

[Dell Boy]

That's tell you how good David Moyes is given the money we have. No cash (net) to spend and still finish around those teams.

Do you not understand the concept that with a new manager the club will be forced to spend a fortune to the new man's wishes?!

In the time we've had Moyes, Spurs have had:

2001 Glenn Hoddle
2003 David Pleat (C)
2004 Jacques Santini
2004 Martin Jol
2007 Clive Allen (C)
2007 Juande Ramos
2008 Harry Redknapp
2012 Andre Villas-Boas

Add on the fact that Spurs have made a killing on flogging the likes of Berbatov, Carrick and Modric for huge sell-on profits.

 

[hktoffee]

But apart from Sir Red Nose no other manager aside from Wenger has had as long to develop a club/squad as Moyes has. You cannot compare him to the level of cash given to a new manager that's just taken over a club recently promoted from the Championship (e.g. Pardew) or one battling to recover from being bottom of the table (Redknapp at Spurs or now QPR).

The net spend at the RS over recent years has to be huge due to the complete change in outlook/footballing philosophy that accompanied Benitez > Dalglish > Potato Head.

Moyes has had the time to build. I'm not saying he's done a bad job at all but to make him out as a saint is ridiculous.

I just feel the reason why some managers like Moyes has managed to stay at the club for such a long period is down realistic expectation. What I mean is we generally get 6th/7th sport in the last decade means an overachievement by Moyes because of the resources we have. But yeah I agree that Moyes should sign a contract now or just leave...

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

That's tell you how good David Moyes is given the money we have. No cash (net) to spend and still finish around those teams.

I don't think anyone is debating Moyes in the transfer market are they, because its a battle they'd lose.

Tactically on the other hand.

 

[hktoffee]

Do you not understand the concept that with a new manager the club will be forced to spend a fortune to the new man's wishes?!

In the time we've had Moyes, Spurs have had:

2001 Glenn Hoddle
2003 David Pleat (C)
2004 Jacques Santini
2004 Martin Jol
2007 Clive Allen (C)
2007 Juande Ramos
2008 Harry Redknapp
2012 Andre Villas-Boas

Add on the fact that Spurs have made a killing on flogging the likes of Berbatov, Carrick and Modric for huge sell-on profits.

That's their problem (crap management of the chairman because he consistantly employ inept managers to waste money).

 

[Brennan]

Some on here completely missing the point.

Our peer group is Arsenal, Spurs and the RS.

Spurs and the RS have switched managers loads of times and spunked a load of cash on duds.

Arsenal have kept with Wenger in all that time and spent less per season than Moyes. Wenger has delivered more success than Moyes. Yes they spend more in wages but Wenger has delivered much more than the ginger one.

The contract stand-off at the moment is an insult to our great club. Moyes controls the club from top to bottom. He's bought and developed every single player so to come out with a line "I want to see how we finish" is completely mad.

By definition sticking with a manager for a long period instantly takes away the need for massive net spend. The focus on this from the media and some on here is ludicrous. Add in the golden bonus money from Rooney and Lescott etc and all of a sudden he's not such a miracle worker.

Remember too in their time - splashing out on the likes of Johnson, Beattie and the Yak to name but a few were all big money, big wages for Premiership proven strikers.

Moyes has done a very good job for the club but don't make out he's the be all and end all.

Yeah. What's Arsenal's wage bill mate ?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

That's their problem (crap management of the chairman because he consistantly employ inept managers to waste money).

The irony in him posting a list of failed managers, in a thread in which he's advocating changing a successful manager, appears to be lost on him.

 

[Little Ralphy]

What make you think others can win us a cup with zero budget?

I am just being realistic here. You just can't assume someone out there will do better than Moyes with no resources. This is modern football and if you have no cash you won't achieve great things. I don't want another Walter Smith or Howard Kendell MKIII to manage this club. Changes is not always a good thing.

And no you should wake up not me. How on earth you say we should quality for Euro every season? We have £20m to spend like RS and Spurs every season?

We played Cheltenham, Bolton, Oldham and then Wigan in the FA Cup. If we’d have beaten Wigan we’d have played Millwall at Wembley in the semi final. The opportunity was there to get to an FA Cup final with having played a League Two Side, a League 1 side, 2 Championship sides and 1 Premiership side (who spend less than us/struggling in the league delete as appropriate). Getting to the final would have likely qualified us for Europe.

Are you seriously saying no other Manager could have done better than Moyes in that cup run?

 

[hktoffee]

I don't think anyone is debating Moyes in the transfer market are they, because its a battle they'd lose.

Tactically on the other hand.

Um...I agree Moyes has some odd selections/tactics like Neville playing against Wigan instead of Gibbo/sitting back to hold a 1 goal lead but generally speaking I am happy with him given where we finish in the table for the last decade.

 

[Dell Boy]

Yeah. What's Arsenal's wage bill mate ?

Yes mate - Arsenal spend almost twice what we do on a large squad of internationals.

But Wenger has achieved a lot more than twice the success that Moyes has.

How do you judge the relative value of each variable? Don't know. So we can keep it simple.

Wenger has spent less net than Moyes on transfer
But Wenger has spent more each year on wages*
Fortunately for Arsenal Wenger has achieved a lot more than Moyes

*if looking strictly at wages, Arsenal do spend a tonne on absolute dross...

 

[Brennan]

We played Cheltenham, Bolton, Oldham and then Wigan in the FA Cup. If we’d have beaten Wigan we’d have played Millwall at Wembley in the semi final. The opportunity was there to get to an FA Cup final with having played a League Two Side, a League 1 side, 2 Championship sides and 1 Premiership side (who spend less than us/struggling in the league delete as appropriate). Getting to the final would have likely qualified us for Europe.

Are you seriously saying no other Manager could have done better than Moyes in that cup run?

Wrong.

There was a 33% chance of drawing Millwall or Blackburn, more likely we would have had to play City/Chelsea/United.