City getting clapped off yesterday

[davek]

..I appreciate the sentiment regarding style but ultimately we want to compete with the best and be successful. Such teams tend to play attractive football but there’s more than one way to skin a cat. I suppose the moot point is the likes of Mourinho, whose teams are not always easy on the eye but are effective. I doubt anybody would complain how we won a Champions League.

But there's a discernible style to Mourinho and it's not some dogs breakfast of make do and mend tactics. Mourinho uses spoiling tactics and sets traps for opponents as a springboard to winning matches. We just have an aimless approach with zero application of tactics.

The broader question here is identity, the issue of chosen style is open for debate.

 

[davek]

I’ll bow to your greater knowledge, we have to get the next appointment right but really don’t know who will give the right balance of results and entertainment. Whilst agreeing to join the shower we have become!

I'm not even advocating a pressing style, tbh. I'm just saying it IS a style that can be made to work by the right manager. It would be infinitely better than this aimless muck served up right now, that's for sure.

We need to tear this up and get back to square one. Basic building blocks: how do we want to play/how are we going to do it.

We really are at that point because what we have in this squad is not looking like it obviously suggests a solution to what way we want to go.

We'll sink or swim with this next appointment and the thinking behind it.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

I stayed to the end but I didn't really notice our fans clapping City off, probably because it was so easy to get out, because of the empty seats. We got outclassed, I wouldn't go as far as clapping an opposition team off the field, maybe a player like KDB, but not the team. As people have already said football has changed, when we got to the FA cup final and finished 5th in 2009, we did so, without a huge squad and we had a lot of injuries. I don't think simply getting into teams is enough now to beat sides like City, Liverpool, Chelsea and the like. But to spend all that money and get thrashed by Arsenal twice, thrashed by Spurs twice, outplayed by United and outplayed by City at home is unforgivable. Football has changed it's less defensive and more about attacking. Look at the RS, they don't have a very good defence, they just rely on their forwards destroying the opposition. But I think the biggest problem is the fact we have a divided support, we really had a pretty united support who generally came from similar backgrounds and had a similar mindset. The problem is now if people complain they get moaned at for being negative, it seems a lot of people just are content with just sitting there accepting this dross. In the past fans used to let their feelings known, people shouting all sorts of things, now due to the fact there are lots of women and kids people are more reserved.

 

[Eggs]

But there's a discernible style to Mourinho and it's not some dogs breakfast of make do and mend tactics. Mourinho uses spoiling tactics and sets traps for opponents as a springboard to winning matches. We just have an aimless approach with zero application of tactics.

The broader question here is identity, the issue of chosen style is open for debate.

..as I said, the top teams tend to play with style. The top teams are also the most successful.

Regarding a new manager, I really think their record on transfers is worthy of considerable analysis. Did he inherit a decent team or has he developed one. We need somebody (at DoF and Manager Level) who is capable of building a top team/squad.

 

[rochdaleblue]

You can only admire the team guardiola has assembled. So much movement and creativity, they are worthy champions. It’s hard to see where they could improve, but rumours that they are interested in Hazard and Isco would IMO improve them even more. They have assembled a top team,not just on the pitch but off it also. Word of warning to Moshiri, you can have all the money in the world, but unless the infrastructure behind the scenes is right, you won’t see success. We can learn so much from city on and off the pitch.

 

[Caolam]

It is obvious we need to build, and we need to give the new man money and time. Anyone who thinks a couple of transfers will change our fortunes is deluded. We need to go right back to basics and then start to put together an squad and a backroom that is geared to modern day football.
If the Fat Sam debacle has taught us anything it is that you can't stand still in today's football, you are either going forward or backward. We are going backwards, luckily so many other clubs are also in reverse so our decline isn't currently being reflected in our league position but if something isn't done soon we will sink lime a stone.

 

[electricblue]

There's nothing wrong with appreciating good football when you see it.

 

[ToffeeDan]

I applauded them off the pitch (and KDB when he was subbed). That's what it's all about. And that's why it was a poor show from the City players to completely fail to acknowledge the appreciation.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Jump Heynkes figured out how to destroy Guardiola’s style - for some reason he is way under appreciated. His direct, power football style is much more entertaining to watch too.

Getting rid of him for Guardiola was the dumbest thing Munich ever did - set them back years and cost them a period of European domination

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

True this. It’s hardly rocket science. It’s why they look fresh every game. They let the ball do the work and hardly any of them bust a gut.
I think the telling thing about them is each and every one of them know exactly what they’re supposed to be doing.

Thierry Henry told a story on Sky sports about when Pep took him off, he had just scored too. His reason was that Henry had ran out of position to score the goal. The Managers message was the team comes first. If Henry had not scored it would have left a gap to be exploited so Guardiola took him off despite scoring.

So he likes automatonic football over creative brilliance.

 

[Somerset Blue]

I'm not even advocating a pressing style, tbh. I'm just saying it IS a style that can be made to work by the right manager. It would be infinitely better than this aimless muck served up right now, that's for sure.

We need to tear this up and get back to square one. Basic building blocks: how do we want to play/how are we going to do it.

We really are at that point because what we have in this squad is not looking like it obviously suggests a solution to what way we want to go.

We'll sink or swim with this next appointment and the thinking behind it.

Was Koeman trying to implement a pressing style and let down by his or Walsh’s recruitment ? We never seemed to play that way but it was often touted in the media that was his style, never saw it myself.
Not a Fonseca fan I take it?

 

[mkrudden]

I'm not even advocating a pressing style, tbh. I'm just saying it IS a style that can be made to work by the right manager. It would be infinitely better than this aimless muck served up right now, that's for sure.

We need to tear this up and get back to square one. Basic building blocks: how do we want to play/how are we going to do it.

We really are at that point because what we have in this squad is not looking like it obviously suggests a solution to what way we want to go.

We'll sink or swim with this next appointment and the thinking behind it.

And it has to be top to bottom- the DOF needs to be completely qualified to implement whichever identify is chosen.

 

[carolinablue232]

Was Koeman trying to implement a pressing style and let down by his or Walsh’s recruitment ? We never seemed to play that way but it was often touted in the media that was his style, never saw it myself.
Not a Fonseca fan I take it?

When Koeman wanted Klassen and Rooney, that indicated pressing was not a priority in my eyes.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

What needs to be done is either appoint an all-in-one manager/DOF in the classic British manager mould like Moyes, or appoint a DOF model like they have at places like City.

City had been preparing for Guardiola for years before he was officially appointed, as the upper management was dominated by extra Barca employees. To think he just came in and waved a magic wand ignores how City built towards him coming in.

Personally I prefer the British model as you get sustained success and an identity. If you bring in coaches who do not get on with the DOF it will always end in tears. With a manager you always know where the blame lies. Also, it hardly did Man Utd under Fergie or Liverpool under Shankley any harm to be dominated by a strong personality.

Everton benefitted for years under Moyes too, as he did a very good job on a tight budget

 

[Rook]

Sure we have a garbage manager who has awful tactics and picks awful lineups.

That being said we can't really play any style with that back line. FFS we've given up more than Bournemouth and they don't even care about defending. Baines, Jags and Williams are all too old. Keane is worse than Lovern (it would be nice to you know play Mori, Holgate who yes probably aren't good enough but we have the magic 40 points so we can try!). Coleman looks fit enough that he could run screaming from this calamity and start for any club not named Man City.

1st priority is fixing this club from the back. and I don't about you but I have complete confidence that the front office/management can bring the right players in