City getting clapped off yesterday

[BrendanGOT]

So many on here hate to admit it but Martinez had us the most excited we’ve been in decades. I’d have him back.

I think that's part of the problem and we couldn't live up to it for a number of reasons.

 

[davek]

Think you are reading way too much into it mate.

Nowt wrong with appreciating a terrific team or player. Remember Old Trafford applauding a Ream Madrid player who scored a hat trick against them when he was subbed. Remember Goodison staying pretty full when United were presented with the league trophy there not that long ago.

Anfield applauded Bristol City off after they beat them 0 1 years ago. Ashton Gate applauded the decent West Ham team of Brooking/Curbishly vintage in a cup game.

It's not just that though. There has been a building resentment toward a team without an identity and not fit for purpose in this league.

 

[jceverton]

Whilst I don't particularly disagree with anything you say there Dave, I don't think it has anything to do with City being clapped off by Evertonian's yesterday.

I wouldn't say it's a tradition per se, but there is definitely a history of Evertonian's acknowledgement of the opposition when they have put in a particularly good performance at Goodison (the RS excepted of course). As a fan base we appreciate good football and yesterday, as hard as it may be to accept our own teams performance, we were privileged to watch a special performance by an extremely talented football team at the very top of their game. Personally, I'd go as far as to say that is the best performance I have ever seen against Everton.

I agree with most of what you say but this is exaggeration simply because we have to factor in our performance which was tactically inept, devoid of energy/desire with a team filled with players who are either not good enough or past their best and a manager in charge who is up there with the worse managers we've ever seen at Goodison.

 

[Deckard2049]

A big part of the city love in that is going on is because of a “anyone but the RS mentality” that pervades some of the fan base. If city are winning and Everton aren’t (duh), people would much rather have them dominating and winning games/trophies than our city rivals. To an extent that’s understandable, but when there’s a significant section of supporters who are more desperate for city to knock the scum out the CL than for us to actually put in a performance then something in the mentality is not right.

The clapping off yesterday was partly an appreciation of good football, but with it was an underlying message of support for them to go do the business in the CL. But really we shouldn’t care at all about either. City play good football. But they SHOULD play good football. I’m not impressed by them achieving the minimum the football world should expect of them. And let’s not get started on their regime shall we? Or guardiola’s delightful ambassadorial role for the Qatar World Cup. Loves a bit of money made on the backs of slaves does our Pep. Just don’t write to him as a footballer asking for helping escaping the Qatari Orwellian state. He’s not interested in that. Loves a stylish yellow ribbon though. All about the solidarity there.

 

[Eggs]

Appointing the right manager is the final part of a process that starts with the club asking themselves where they want us to go as a club, how fast they want to get their, and what constitutes progress season in season out with respect to that destination.

...absolutely, but it ultimately depends on appointing the right person to deliver it. Personally, i haven’t got a clue who that might be.

 

[davek]

I agree with most of what you say but this is exaggeration simply because we have to factor in our performance which was tactically inept, devoid of energy/desire with a team filled with players who are either not good enough or past their best and a manager in charge who is up there with the worse managers we've ever seen at Goodison.

I'd go along with that. They mixed up the play from possession to deadly counter attacking but for the most part it was keep ball because Everton were set up by numb nuts Allardyce to stand off.

 

[Khalekan]

...absolutely, but it ultimately depends on appointing the right person to deliver it. Personally, i haven’t got a clue who that might be.

Sadly, neither does Moshiri, Eggs

And that is way more worrisome

 

[Bullet]

They've had a great season...and are 6 points ahead of us after us having a pathetic season.

Tells a tale.

Burnley are no template for anyone but themselves.

How much have they spent compared to us? A pittance.
They're greatly over achieveing relative to their resources and the idea they could do the same playing tippy tappy football is fanciful given the quality of players at their disposal.

 

[Milk]

Have to say that Jonathon Northgate in today's Sunday Times has is spot on:

"Watching Guardiola's futuristic side embarrass Everton's old English stalwarts provided a powerful image."

That's what we are: Stalwarts.

Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't get you in to the top 6 or add to your trophy cabinet.

 

[davek]

...absolutely, but it ultimately depends on appointing the right person to deliver it. Personally, i haven’t got a clue who that might be.

The managerial appointment is crucial, yes. But the decision makers need to have a style in mind so that if a manager doesn't work out then it's down to that man's personal application of a method he brings in rather than it be seen as a failure that necessitates the club ditching a preferred method and then adopt a new one.

We need to know who we are and stick with it. Right now we should have a DoF (if they insist on it) secured and thrashing out with the club a plan of action with respect to what we want to be and achieve and how quick we want it done. That's what professionally run outfits would do.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

Only ever left a game once before,Tranmere,0-3,was own a tight schedule for a "hot date" that nightlol, and yesterday saw three minutes of injury time come up and thought "sod this"

 

[AndyC]

Speaking personally, I was one of those who applauded City off the pitch yesterday.

They had played a very good game of football and comprehensively beaten my team, and whilst losing to them was painful I felt their football deserved applauding.

The fact that their ownership have been willing, able and prepared to invest so heavily in players, managers, coaching staff etc in order to take City so quickly from also rans to potentially the best in Europe is an issue most other clubs and fans have to come to terms with, and maybe try to emulate.

Am I jealous or envious of their rapid rise from near oblivion to near utopia, yeah, I guess I am.

But I put those feelings aside at full time yesterday, as on the 93 minutes we witnessed, their players and football were miles, miles, miles better and quite frankly light years ahead of our players and football... Hence I chose to applaud them.

 

[arbok]

Totally disagree, Peps way of playing is the easiest way of playing football, something you get taught at a very early age PASS and MOVE!!! not 'kin Lump and jump!! 95% of their passes are 10 yard passes to men who have created a bit of space. Theirs no step overs or tricks or crazy mazy runs, just clever movement.

Yet how many prem teams play like Pep? They all know that a pass picked off creates a scrambling defence, and many teams just don't want to deal with that. Liverpool probably gets the closest to playing like Man City, but they don't really keep the ball in possession as long as Man City can do it.

Btw, that pass and move football looks easy, but why is it David Silva (and De Bruyne) are the only players that can consistently do it.

The fact that Everton play Rooney in the midfield, just so that the team can string a few passes together, tells you everything you have to know about the quality of the Everton midfield.

 

[jceverton]

Is this a tacit admission that when we got shut of Roberto the much sought after decision to go with brawn rather than brain; fitness over finesse; territory over possession was the wrong one to make?

Now I'm not equating RM's Everton with Guardiola's City (in fact, this has nothing much to do with either man but all to do with the chosen methodological route wanted by fans and provided in the last two FT managerial appointments).

Have we learned a harsh lesson here over the last two seasons? I think we have. There was a hasty retreat made back to Moyes era football at a time when Moyes era football has simply broken down as a model. I think we're lost as a club and we need some drastic surgery to at least put us back on the road to renewal. There's no going back to Moyes. There's no future in that. I just wonder whether yesterday's game and fan reaction to it will have given those in decision making positions pause for thought.

Hard to argue that we took a spectacularly bad turn when we replaced Martinez with Koeman. What we needed was a manager who plays fast attacking football, can organise a defence and knows how to press, in addition we needed a DOF who had experience of working with teams that play that way in the top leagues of Europe i.e. Italy, Spain, Germany, France, England. Neither Koeman or Allardyce comes close to that. Walsh was so far away from this that it's almost criminal. Effectively a complete disaster since Moshiri took over.

 

[davek]

How much have they spent compared to us? A pittance.
They're greatly over achieveing relative to their resources and the idea they could do the same playing tippy tappy football is fanciful given the quality of players at their disposal.

Never in a month of Sundays would I want us playing like them.

...but it's in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Don't see nothing wrong with clapping a side that played good todgeball. (They even let us win the 2nd half and that's all that counts, right BFS?)

Hopefully that sends a clear message to the players, coaching staff and owners what we expect.