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tsubaki said:
100%, and whilst we are talking about geopolitics nothing would do more damage to the Russian economy than reducing fossil fuel consumption significantly.

If we freely shared the technology and manufacturing expertise with Africa, Asia and central / southern America then it would be of massive diplomatic benefit as well.
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As nice as this sounds, or capitalist system wold never allow this. I do think though, that another shot in his own foot for Putin was weaponizing fuel for the west last (and this coming) winter. The result was western markets now desperately trying to wean themselves off Russian gas and oil. Was terrible planning on Russias behalf
 
Noisy noise annoys said:
As nice as this sounds, or capitalist system wold never allow this. I do think though, that another shot in his own foot for Putin was weaponizing fuel for the west last (and this coming) winter. The result was western markets now desperately trying to wean themselves off Russian gas and oil. Was terrible planning on Russias behalf
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Our capitalist system probably won’t, but any sensible capitalist system absolutely would - you are talking about hundreds of billions worth of savings in energy costs, security costs, migration costs *and* preventing trillions in damages caused by climate change.

For an honest person it’s not a decision that needs any thought whatsoever, but of course we are not led by honest people.
 
tsubaki said:
Our capitalist system probably won’t, but any sensible capitalist system absolutely would - you are talking about hundreds of billions worth of savings in energy costs, security costs, migration costs *and* preventing trillions in damages caused by climate change.

For an honest person it’s not a decision that needs any thought whatsoever, but of course we are not led by honest people.
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YIP
 
The Chinese government has an often immature tone befitting it's prior status as a set upon revolutionary state as opposed to it's now status as a great power.

The goal should always have been to make peace with Russia to counterbalance China inheriting the US status as a hegemonic hyperpower to enable a true multipolar world. China has the very real capacity to become a new hyperpower and should be treated with extreme caution. There will be far fewer wars, there will be no Chinese neocons out to start wars in the Middle East in service for a particular country but war is the not only form of oppression.
 
Kev The Rat said:
The Chinese government has an often immature tone befitting it's prior status as a set upon revolutionary state as opposed to it's now status as a great power.

The goal should always have been to make peace with Russia to counterbalance China inheriting the US status as a hegemonic hyperpower to enable a true multipolar world. China has the very real capacity to become a new hyperpower and should be treated with extreme caution. There will be far fewer wars, there will be no Chinese neocons out to start wars in the Middle East in service for a particular country but war is the not only form of oppression.
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Once Russia is put to bed, which some analysts have as by spring next year you can expect to see the US turn their full attention to China. Xi will now be quite clear that Russia is not the power that Putin thought it was and has sold to him. This is why he is scrambling around BRICS to look for support and most likely why he is snubbing the G20. He'll know that going against the US alone would be the end of his regime IMO.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
Once Russia is put to bed, which some analysts have as by spring next year you can expect to see the US turn their full attention to China. Xi will now be quite clear that Russia is not the power that Putin thought it was and has sold to him. This is why he is scrambling around BRICS to look for support and most likely why he is snubbing the G20. He'll know that going against the US alone would be the end of his regime IMO.
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Not sure this makes sense - the snub is to another member of the BRICS, not the G20.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
It is obvious that China will want to devalue anything seen to be lead by the west/US. The G20 could be argued to be a construct of an old world order, with Xi leading an alternate BRICS Forum. Pretty basic stuff really.
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The G20 isn’t led by the West though; indeed if the AU joins (as it should) it’s not far off being the biggest genuine multipolar global organisation of meaning.
 
Kev The Rat said:
The Chinese government has an often immature tone befitting it's prior status as a set upon revolutionary state as opposed to it's now status as a great power.
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Not so sure it is immature, more pure authoritarian.
Kev The Rat said:
The goal should always have been to make peace with Russia to counterbalance China inheriting the US status as a hegemonic hyperpower to enable a true multipolar world. China has the very real capacity to become a new hyperpower and should be treated with extreme caution.
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I think the west was more commited to trying to help China build their economy than working with Russia to counterbalance China. Of course that was very shortsighted as China is now a serious threat to it's neighbours in the South China Sea, thanks mainly to money they got from the west.
It will be interesting to see if the current financial crisis they have will slow their expansion plans or speed them up
 
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